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I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by merely-unlikely »

> Yes, you need to obtain “permission” before you build any manufacturing structure on your own land with your own money.

> I understand the reasoning behind the need for a PWD NOC. What if they’re planning to build a road through the land on which we intend to do our construction. It’s certainly worth notifying the public works department before we do any construction activity.

Seems strange to me that it is on you to check that the government isn't planning on building on the land you own.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by slim »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #10
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #8

India's obsession with paperwork is unceasing and baffling. Everything requires an application, even when everything can be done digitally. You need letters and stamps to get anything done. Case in point: the "company stamps" that are required for everything you do with your business. From getting a debit card to changing the maturity instructions for a corporate deposit, you need to sign your name AND stamp it with…

Countries with high paperwork and bureaucratic burden are famous for also being highly corrupt. This is probably not a coincidence. Likely all the excess paperwork makes it easier to hide what's really going on, easy to provide roadblocks for those who don't pay, and easier to generally hide bad activity in a sea of noise.

the corruption business is very similar to racket. the threat being making you lose indefinite amount of time (instead of violence). as a business you have deadlines and not meeting them would make you lose money. sometimes losing money can be deadly to the company, that's why people unwillingly participate in corruption.

the business model of corruption is : 1- slow the process as much as you can 2- some people will have deadlines and will be willing to pay to meet them 3- profit

the slowness is there on purpose, to be able to provide quick process as a paid service

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by dreen »

orangepurple wrote: post #251
dreen wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Poland atm you can't even buy farmland unless you are a registered farmer in the local county already. Its a new rule and hopefully they remove it cause its insane. And then of course you can't just build on it. You may attempt to reclassify it into building land but from TFA it seems the process is just as tedious as in India and definietely not guaranteed to succeed. Theres a big chance, once you get to the buil…

First you have to ask yourself why would such a rule exist? Sometimes it is done in the interest of national security. Or you run into issues such as a desert kingdom purchasing rights to use massive quantities of farmland where water is already scarce. See Saudi Alfalfa in California. Or why Bill Gates is the biggest private farm land owner in the United States at around 242,000 acres and climbing. You need to look…

The policy doesn't make sense. Farming benefits massively from economies of scale, and farmland in most of Eastern Europe is already very fragmented due to "agricultural reforms" in 45. If you're not familiar with that situation it is you who need to ask themselves some questions. Look at how messed up Haiti is, much of that results from the way they delt with land ownership. Every family owing their own little scrap of land sounds nice, but makes zero economic sense.

I didn't say the goverment is schizofrenic, but their message certainly plays on xenophobic fears. Its clearly a part of a populist agenda, because we need people with capital buying up land, but its super easy to frame this as a malevolent action to less educated people, and that is what is being done for purely political reasons. And this policy is exactly what I would call "overly prohibiting": I can't sell my farmland even to local farmers who live a few miles away cause they happen to be in a different couty. Cmon thats just stupid.

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Post by 1024core »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #8

India's obsession with paperwork is unceasing and baffling. Everything requires an application, even when everything can be done digitally. You need letters and stamps to get anything done. Case in point: the "company stamps" that are required for everything you do with your business. From getting a debit card to changing the maturity instructions for a corporate deposit, you need to sign your name AND stamp it with…

> India's obsession with paperwork is unceasing and baffling. Everything requires an application, even when everything can be done digitally. You need letters and stamps to get anything done.

I remember once my wife and I wanted to travel by train to a tourist town. After buying the tickets, we realized we had made a mistake (actually, _they_ had made a mistake). So we decided to cancel our tickets and just buy new ones.

We had to fill in an application, attach photos of ourselves, as well as our copies of our passports ... all to cancel a ticket! Boggles the mind.

It feels like a Kabuki theater, set up to keep the people busy and employed.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by jefftk »

twawaaay wrote: post #304
jefftk wrote: post #242

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My read is that the OP understands this but is ideologically opposed to paying bribes. Ex: "Obviously, they are playing 'hard to get' to get me to pay some bribe and initiate the process" and "So the Gram Panchayat NOC is stuck because of non payment of bribe".

You have a choice. Try to do business in India and pay bribes or move your business elsewhere. There are countries of which India is one of them where you can't do any serious business without paying bribes. Serious business is anything where a government official even suspects you may have money to pay the bribe. So maybe not a hairdresser, but if you have money to buy a piece of land you are expected to have money…

> You have a choice. Try to do business in India and pay bribes or move your business elsewhere.

This post and the OP's decisions seem to me to be part of an attempt to decrease corruption in India.

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Post by pjmlp »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #272
pjmlp wrote: post #221

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Sure, but it is another league, not like back home in Portugal, where everyone does everyone little "favours", you cannot even get into some hospitals without a little help.

How many times are you going to copy-pasta this exact same comment? Quick search shows three times. Keep it up. Great work.

I care for the lazy readers that don't bother to read all comments, as means to find out why I made the top comment.

Congratulations you aren't one of them.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by merely-unlikely »

leidenfrost wrote: post #270
miroljub wrote: post #248

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Thanks for the info. I don't follow Brazilian politics, but somehow the picture of a corrupt ex-president going to jail persisted in my head, since that was the news we were getting here back in the time. I couldn't understand why our news in Germany was pretending that a guy convinced of corruption would be a saviour of Brazil against the evil Bolsonaro. That highlights one of the main problems in our societies. We…

When the baseline of corruption is high enough and those who judge you are equally or more corrupt, convictions for "corruption" are a weapon from those who do not want a specific someone on the government rather than real intention of reducing corruption. Simplifying, it's like this: If the road to presidency is corrupt, you either become also corrupt (on a varying degree) or stay as one of those parties with no mor…

This reminds me of why I hate when government agencies excuse an overly broad rule by saying they "won't prioritize enforcement" against favored/minor actors. Eg [1].

[1] https://www.axios.com/2022/09/13/us-treasury-department-torn...

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