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I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by ceoatpiedpiper »

chaghalibaghali wrote: post #207
vwcx wrote: post #147

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And how has that shell set-up been for your international team members? In my experience, it added just enough of a layer of obscuration to perpetuate a caste system, similar to how full time temps and vendors are currently treated in tech. US FTE employees had full HR support while Indian subcontractors had really poor HR/payroll/benefits resources from Remote. YMMV

As someone currently working on the employee side of a remote.com setup, it’s been great. They have a much better understanding of my local laws, tax systems etc than the US-based HR and Payroll departments at companies I’ve worked for in the past.

Hi , how do you get hired via Remote ? All I can see is services to hire for employers.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by loudmax »

somat wrote: post #37
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #10

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Countries with high paperwork and bureaucratic burden are famous for also being highly corrupt. This is probably not a coincidence. Likely all the excess paperwork makes it easier to hide what's really going on, easy to provide roadblocks for those who don't pay, and easier to generally hide bad activity in a sea of noise.

The paperwork is an attempt(usually misguided) to stop the corruption. The idea is that if you have to account and document all actions you will have act in the proscribed manner and not in a way that benefits you. This usually fails for the reason you posted. I am not really sure how you are supposed to stop corruption once it gets rooted in your society. It is a vile and subversive menace that turns every one into…

Perun has been making some of the best videos on Youtube since the start of the Ukraine invasion. Mostly on how military procurement works. It sounds like a dull topic, but when you start to understand the intricacies and the stakes involves it becomes fascinating. Absolutely recommend this channel.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by foverzar »

jwr wrote: post #104
pjmlp wrote: post #92

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I wouldn't consider Germany and Switzerland that corrupt.

Ahem. We're talking about a country where a chancellor that pushed for building a gas pipeline from a foreign country went straight to the board of the foreign company running that pipeline after ending his term as chancellor. Corruption is everywhere, it's just on different levels. Usually in more "developed" (I don't like that word) countries you see corruption on the highest levels, and people actually get away wi…

> We're talking about a country where a chancellor that pushed for building a gas pipeline from a foreign country went straight to the board of the foreign company running that pipeline after ending his term as chancellor.

Yeah, and long after that they decided to build a second pipeline (Nord Stream 2).

And before that, they've been received the same gas from the same foreign company over the ex-SU Ukrainian pipelines.

And five years later we will likely see Turkish pipelines (still bearing Russian gas) prolonged to Hungary, from where it will reach Germany once again.

And that foreign company isn't even running those Nord Stream pipelines - they were largely German, due to legislations requiring separation of the pipeline operator and the supplier.

Don't underestimate how much Germany had profited from all the cheap gas and infrastructure investments from the said foreign country, up until they managed to loose it all just for the sake of political appearance and no real substantial win.

I wonder if we would some day see Scholz in some American LNG company for which the nation now has to pay order of magnitude more, than it ever paid to Russia.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by DocTomoe »

So India has a process for turning agricultural land to manufacturing land. Compare that to Europe, where such endeavours are often impossible completely (if you are a landowner), and quite easy (if you are a local government). We've had this guy [1] protest on TV lately. Sums it up well.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mnB5Q5Hay4 ... translated subtitles are decent. Money shot: "It's like that: We can't all sit with a MacBook in Berlin in a cafe, sipping on a chai latte and programming the tenth dating app. Sometimes, someone has to work with their hands."

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Post by bergkvist »

somat wrote: post #37
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countries with high paperwork and bureaucratic burden are famous for also being highly corrupt. This is probably not a coincidence. Likely all the excess paperwork makes it easier to hide what's really going on, easy to provide roadblocks for those who don't pay, and easier to generally hide bad activity in a sea of noise.

The paperwork is an attempt(usually misguided) to stop the corruption. The idea is that if you have to account and document all actions you will have act in the proscribed manner and not in a way that benefits you. This usually fails for the reason you posted. I am not really sure how you are supposed to stop corruption once it gets rooted in your society. It is a vile and subversive menace that turns every one into…

It is funny because it is the exact opposite of what you should do if you want to stop corruption.

Deregulation is the best cure for corruption, because it makes the gatekeepers obsolete. There would be no reason to bribe them because you don't need their approval in the first place.

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Post by goodcanadian »

otikik wrote: post #158
ricardobayes wrote: post #122

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It's actually kind of disturbing how there are basically only a handful of countries on the planet without systematic corruption. Maybe there are none. Perhaps it's a human trait.

I would go as far as to say that a little bit of corruption is healthy. It adds flexibility. For example: you don't want to register your neighbor's daughter for taxes just so that she can babysit your child once or twice. That is crazytalk. And yes, a lot of countries make sure that small payments don't require registration or taxes. This was just a quick example to make the point, sometimes the general law is just…

I realise that you are making an off the cuff example, and I agree with your basic point. However, in the places I have lived, the babysitter would be an independent contractor and thus responsible for her own taxes. Moreover, it is unlikely that she would be making enough money to exceed the personal exemption, and therefore, it is unlikely that she would owe taxes anyway. An argument could be made that she should collect and remit sales tax or VAT where applicable, but again, there are usually thresholds below which there is no obligation.

My point is that well run, non-corrupt, systems tend to have exemptions to make everything sane and reasonable. If these exemptions don't exist, you can believe that it is because the system is corrupt and not because they are trying to stop corruption.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by pjmlp »

jwr wrote: post #104
pjmlp wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't consider Germany and Switzerland that corrupt.

Ahem. We're talking about a country where a chancellor that pushed for building a gas pipeline from a foreign country went straight to the board of the foreign company running that pipeline after ending his term as chancellor. Corruption is everywhere, it's just on different levels. Usually in more "developed" (I don't like that word) countries you see corruption on the highest levels, and people actually get away wi…

It is another league, not like back home in Portugal, where everyone does everyone little "favours", you cannot even get into some hospitals without a little help.

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Post by antonvs »

plaguepilled wrote: post #90
sam_goody wrote: post #74

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OK, accepted. Like everything in life, there is always a trade off. We have a see-saw. One side has indignation, encouraging corruption at the level of one bribe, cost. The other side has time, factory, jobs, and possibly more influence to change the system. And from my experience, the people getting the bribe don't see it as unethical - it may even be their "salary". (Eg. Counselors don't get paid in many summer cam…

This is an unfounded dichotomy. The implication that you cannot have an industrious society without a level of corruption is not supported by your argument (nor any I have heard of). Equitable working conditions make working more appealing to a worker - and this is extended to the "fairness" of your workplace. Tips are not "the cost of doing business", they are similarly an expectation passed down from authority to t…

> The implication that you cannot have an industrious society without a level of corruption is not supported by your argument (nor any I have heard of).

I’m not exactly sure what you’re saying here, but corruption does exist everywhere. It’s just a question of how pervasive it is, how much it’s actually enshrined in law, etc. (E.g. campaign finance laws in the US essentially legalize corruption, which could perhaps be argued to be like decriminalizing drugs in order to better control them, although whether that’s the actual intent is debatable.)

The Corruption Perception Index and the Global Corruption Index might help get a sense of this. As is typical with such lists, the top performers (last corrupt) tend to be countries with smaller populations. With bigger populations, the risk and incidence of corruption increases.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 https://risk-indexes.com/global-corruption-index/

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by Lio »

narrator wrote: post #193
roenxi wrote: post #108

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> I am not really sure how you are supposed to stop corruption once it gets rooted in your society. Well, assuming that all people are roughly the same as each other, the answer would be to adopt traditions and systems from countries that aren't corrupt. Attempt the sisyphean task of convincing people that giving power to the middle class is going to lead to a better future. As your comment reveals, the instinct when…

I am a fan of the Singapore anti-corruption method of paying bureaucrats a lot of money. That way they don't have to have corruption side hustles and you can attract good talent to these positions. Somehow this is more unpopular than widespread political corruption.

I'd be sceptical given just how greedy corrupt bureaucrats can be.

There's not much to stop a crook being both officially well paid and totally corrupt.

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