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I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by stefan_ »

cafard wrote: post #267
soperj wrote: post #263

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> We have sent experts to the relevant tax offices etc, but the ONLY guy who can handle it is never there, refuses to deal with it, then says we need to go somewhere else - where we are sent back etc etc. Sent around in circles, basically - with everybody recognizing the money is in fact owed... That sounds exactly like they're needing a bribe, but you're too rooted in western ways of doing things that you don't real…

US citizens bribing foreign officials can be convicted of a felony under (I think it is) The Foreign Corrupt Practices act. Whether DOJ chases down three-developer scale stuff, or has only the staff for multi-zillion class bribes, I don't know.

Paying an official to do something they were going to do (eventually) anyway does not qualify as a bribe.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by throwaway2037 »

pjmlp wrote: post #221
DocTomoe wrote: post #96

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Oh, corruption still exist, but most people are too poor to play in that league. Compare that to "developing country corruption", where you can often ... ahem ... prematurely show your gratitude towards an official for as little as 20 bucks.

Sure, but it is another league, not like back home in Portugal, where everyone does everyone little "favours", you cannot even get into some hospitals without a little help.

How many times are you going to copy-pasta this exact same comment? Quick search shows three times. Keep it up. Great work.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by tkk23 »

primitivesuave wrote: post #156
klausjensen wrote: post #109

~5 years ago, I hired three Indian developers. They asked me if we could set up an Indian legal entity, so that they could just get regular salaries in India with tax payments, deductions etc taken care of. I agreed and we got it done. One of the worst business-decisions of my life. The amount of red tape, stupid rules, corruption, signatures, stamps, showing up physically in a certain office etc etc... Mindblowing.…

I came to the comments to warn exactly this, perhaps more emphatically. Do not set up a legal entity in India. It will become a never-ending void where money and time go to die. The bureaucracy is hilariously inept and bloated, and if you are not willing to pay the bribes or for some entity to navigate the systemic corruption on your behalf, you will end up in OP's situation. Source: hired many Indian developers in r…

India is huge. Could there be a district with enough integrity that it can become the place to establish a company in India?

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by throwaway2037 »

wincy wrote: post #89
systemvoltage wrote: post #27

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This has nothing to do with physical paperwork (See Japan which runs on paper forms even today; most hospitals in US are paperless but they're far from efficient), but the underlying policies that dictate the requirements and how the approval process must be conducted, number of parties/agencies/teams involved and the incentives put in place to make sure it gets done within a certain timeframe (QA controls). Some gov…

During the pandemic I paid for a concierge care doctor and man it was the most convenient experience I’ve ever had with a medical provider. Cut out the insurance, he had a nurse and one office assistant and virtually no paperwork. Guy actually had brain power leftover to know who I was and what my situation was. I feel really bad for anyone wanting to become a doctor in this day and age, it seems absolutely grueling.…

Wow, please share more details. What city and what was the total cost compared to other options? I have heard this exists in very rich places in New York City, but it costs a pretty penny!

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by agileAlligator »

sonthonax wrote: post #36
agileAlligator wrote: post #33

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> It seems like the problem is that the author has a moral objection to paying bribes Duh?

There’s a distinction to be made between a small customary bribe to an seriously underpaid state employee, and a larcenous bribe to a high official.

They are both immoral

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by agileAlligator »

lelanthran wrote: post #48
agileAlligator wrote: post #33

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> It seems like the problem is that the author has a moral objection to paying bribes Duh?

>> It seems like the problem is that the author has a moral objection to paying bribes > Duh? It's only "Duh" because you snipped the qualifier out. It's not "Duh" if you read until the end of the sentence like you normally do: > in an area where bribery is customary See?

It doesn't matter whether it is customary. I live about 200km away from where the author is, I have never paid a bribe in my life, and I never will. They make you sweat it out for 4-5 months and then eventually it gets done.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by throwaway2037 »

resonious wrote: post #82
megablast wrote: post #65

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Is Japan the exception?

To my knowledge, Japan's Yakuza used to be highly involved with the government. That's basically just a rumor though. I don't have any details. The rumor also says that this is no longer really the case anymore.

I cannot answer about the original rumor, but I can say in the last ten years there has been a dramatic (economic) fall for the Yakuza. Slowly, the Japan gov't has passed tighter and tighter domestic money laundering laws -- taxes, building / business permits, banking, etc. Many times I have been asked to sign a form stating no connection with "anti-social forces". The Japan gov't is putting the economic equivalent of the "sleeper hold" on Yakuza. You hardly see them now (in visibly obvious forms) except the dodgiest places. I never see anyone with a missing half their pinky finger. (Yes, it is real / weird / scary.)

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by nightpool »

ceoatpiedpiper wrote: post #211
chaghalibaghali wrote: post #207

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As someone currently working on the employee side of a remote.com setup, it’s been great. They have a much better understanding of my local laws, tax systems etc than the US-based HR and Payroll departments at companies I’ve worked for in the past.

Hi , how do you get hired via Remote ? All I can see is services to hire for employers.

Remote isn't a hiring platform, it's a service companies can use to manage HR compliance. You get hired by the company, and your employment goes through Remote for compliance with local laws.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

sooyoo wrote: post #85
sam_goody wrote: post #45

I do not understand the authors issue with paying bribes. You want your factory, you are willing to pay lots of money for it, and the system works with bribes. Fine, so be it. Pay the bribes and get to work. I once lived in such a country*. The unfairness is built in, but if you have the money, you can get whatever you need relatively quickly. If you are trying to save money, fine. But you are willing to go to court,…

> Fine, so be it. Pay the bribes and get to work Since most people think like that, things don't change and everybody is miserable. Cudos to the author for not accepting this rampant corruption. > If you are trying to save money, fine If that's really what you think the authors motivation is then you may have missed the point of the article.

The author doesn't get his permit stamped and obviously currently has no influence. He'll probably give up, and now the jobs he would have created and imports that would have become local production won't happen. It's not an obvious good vs bad situation here, a corrupt system that allows bribes is gross, but pretending you can just act like you are in a western country with rule of law is ignoring reality.
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