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I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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I wouldn't consider Germany and Switzerland that corrupt.

Oh, corruption still exist, but most people are too poor to play in that league. Compare that to "developing country corruption", where you can often ... ahem ... prematurely show your gratitude towards an official for as little as 20 bucks.

Sure, but it is another league, not like back home in Portugal, where everyone does everyone little "favours", you cannot even get into some hospitals without a little help.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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I wouldn't consider Germany and Switzerland that corrupt.

Just google Franz Josef Strauss for some history on German corruption. Followed by a quick search on how exactly the government sourced face masks during COVID (same political part basically). For Switzerland, well, a quick search for money laundering gives you all the information you need. EDIT: Both the FIFA and the IOCI, probably the most corrupt organizations on earth, are having their seats in Switzerland.

Yeah but that isn't like back home in Portugal, where everyone does everyone little "favours", you cannot even get into some hospitals without a little help.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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~5 years ago, I hired three Indian developers. They asked me if we could set up an Indian legal entity, so that they could just get regular salaries in India with tax payments, deductions etc taken care of. I agreed and we got it done. One of the worst business-decisions of my life. The amount of red tape, stupid rules, corruption, signatures, stamps, showing up physically in a certain office etc etc... Mindblowing.…

You should watch the Japanese movie ikiru - that’s how I felt when I tried to navigate the kafkaesque GST system. I received a letter, and just to find out who I received from, I was shuffled around between 7 offices in just my cities with a total travel of 60 kilometers (my city is itself only 15km across lol).

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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Countries with high paperwork and bureaucratic burden are famous for also being highly corrupt. This is probably not a coincidence. Likely all the excess paperwork makes it easier to hide what's really going on, easy to provide roadblocks for those who don't pay, and easier to generally hide bad activity in a sea of noise.

The paperwork is an attempt(usually misguided) to stop the corruption. The idea is that if you have to account and document all actions you will have act in the proscribed manner and not in a way that benefits you. This usually fails for the reason you posted. I am not really sure how you are supposed to stop corruption once it gets rooted in your society. It is a vile and subversive menace that turns every one into…

The podcast "The Rest Is Politics" did an interesting interview with the Prime Minister of Albania recently, where he made the argument that the best way to deal with corruption is to get rid of the paperwork altogether, and basically make government services so easy to access that corruption and bribery wasn't necessary in the first place. So he'd been putting a lot of work into digitising as much as possible, making corruption effectively much more difficult, but also much less necessary in the first place.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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As someone currently working on the employee side of a remote.com setup, it’s been great. They have a much better understanding of my local laws, tax systems etc than the US-based HR and Payroll departments at companies I’ve worked for in the past.

Hi , how do you get hired via Remote ? All I can see is services to hire for employers.

You get hired by a company that uses Remote (or Deel).

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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~5 years ago, I hired three Indian developers. They asked me if we could set up an Indian legal entity, so that they could just get regular salaries in India with tax payments, deductions etc taken care of. I agreed and we got it done. One of the worst business-decisions of my life. The amount of red tape, stupid rules, corruption, signatures, stamps, showing up physically in a certain office etc etc... Mindblowing.…

I came to the comments to warn exactly this, perhaps more emphatically. Do not set up a legal entity in India. It will become a never-ending void where money and time go to die. The bureaucracy is hilariously inept and bloated, and if you are not willing to pay the bribes or for some entity to navigate the systemic corruption on your behalf, you will end up in OP's situation. Source: hired many Indian developers in r…

When I visited a Cisco office in India, I noticed there was a prominent notice of business application and listed the Indian owner of the company. I thought that was interesting and went digging into India law about ownership. When I came out of that rabbit hole I immediately had zero interest in starting up in India. Simply because of the bureaucracy and would be way more wink-wink-$$$-nudge-nudge than what I'm even used to today with my dealings in the West Indies. Then I read the article and by the time I got to the Irrigation NOC I was nodding my head 'yup, exactly what i expected'.

It's very easy to read these requirements and agree that there are natural resources that (a) you don't want exploited and (b) want preserved, so all of these hurdles are necessary. But the timeline involved and the MULTIPLE bribes really drives home the fact that reforms are needed.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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> Yes, you need to obtain “permission” before you build any manufacturing structure on your own land with your own money. This permission is called the NA or Non-Agricultural Certificate. Well, I though it was this way everywhere in the world. In Europe, at least, you cannot build anything on agricultural land unless it is a n agricultural structure or you get the classification changed, which is not easy.

In the US you typically have to make sure the land is in the right "zoning" for manufacturing, but that's typically not too hard to find. How easy it is to get preexisting land changed varies widely. If it's agricultural land, that often won't need rezoned in places with cumulative zoning: https://matthewminer.name/law/outlines/1L/2nd+Semester/LAW+5...

Then you probably need a building permit, but they usually just need the plans for the building to be built for that.

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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I would like to second this recommendation. We’ve been using remote.com and hiring internationally suddenly became very possible and we can’t be any more happy. Before this hiring internationally was a pure nightmare to the point that we simply didn’t accept international remote developers. Thanks Remote!

And how has that shell set-up been for your international team members? In my experience, it added just enough of a layer of obscuration to perpetuate a caste system, similar to how full time temps and vendors are currently treated in tech. US FTE employees had full HR support while Indian subcontractors had really poor HR/payroll/benefits resources from Remote. YMMV

Blame the employer, not remote.com. The employer decides what benefits they will pay remote.com to give to employees

Re: I tried starting a manufacturing unit in India (2020)

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India's obsession with paperwork is unceasing and baffling. Everything requires an application, even when everything can be done digitally. You need letters and stamps to get anything done. Case in point: the "company stamps" that are required for everything you do with your business. From getting a debit card to changing the maturity instructions for a corporate deposit, you need to sign your name AND stamp it with…

In India they optimize for maximum employment. It's the only place I've seen 7 people needed to refill a soda vending machine. Once I ordered some drinks brought up to my hotel room around 10 in the evening. It took forever - turned out the guy who made the drinks was sent home for the day. So the hotel called him back and had him return just so he could come and make the drinks and bring them to my room. Because tha…

I'm not sure that is maximizing employment as much as it is taking advantage of labor that is too cheap to meter.
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