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Obama Announces $2B Fund for Startups

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> 1. Fix the healthcare system. Right now, you're punished if you don't work for a large company in the sense that you're charged up the wazoo for health insurance. Work for a large company and it's close to free. No, it's not "almost free". It's paid for by the company. And yes, paying yourself is tax-deductible in many circumstances. I've actually paid for health insurance out of pocket as an "older american". Rent…

> I've actually paid for health insurance out of pocket as an "older american". Rent was more expensive. I think you were very lucky. As a "young & healthy american," that was not my experience.

It's not luck, just state by state differences. Some states are much better than others.

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Throwing $2B at startups isn't going to create a new generation of entrepreneurs. 1. Fix the healthcare system. Right now, you're punished if you don't work for a large company in the sense that you're charged up the wazoo for health insurance. Work for a large company and it's close to free. 2. Fix student loans. One could argue don't go to college but I think we can agree there's some value to good schools. 3. Educ…

> 1. Fix the healthcare system. Right now, you're punished if you don't work for a large company in the sense that you're charged up the wazoo for health insurance. Work for a large company and it's close to free. No, it's not "almost free". It's paid for by the company. And yes, paying yourself is tax-deductible in many circumstances. I've actually paid for health insurance out of pocket as an "older american". Rent…

No, it's not "almost free". It's paid for by the company.

You are correct, but large companies get dramatically better rates and better coverage than small companies. My family's small business has seen healthcare premiums increase more than 20% each year for the past few years. We have had to cut benefits (increase deductibles and copays, etc). It's a sad state of affairs that employees of large companies are insulated from (for now).

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$1 trillion for banks, $1 billion for startups, you can really see how important this administration feels startups are. Why not just tell banks, lend half the money we're giving you to startups, instead of using it to prop up your balance sheets.

Is money really the limiting factor for startup growth right now? I feel like it's skill and experience. Maybe if students or recent grads could get apply for student loan sized-stipend (~$6K at a time, renewable every 6 months, up to 3x total for $18K)? $1T would cover 50M students (or $1B would fund 50K students) and people would get a chance to work on something, learn, make stupid but risk-free mistakes, and eith…

good point. and I don't disagree with you, but I'd take your argument to the next level about education and say we can educate a heck of a lot more people, more cheaply, and do it on more useful topics, which build more useful, core, long-term, non-profession-specific skills, if we wanted to.

It doesn't necessarily require throwing more money, in aggregate, at the education space. May mean spending less, but smarter. Lots of free ways to learn between the Internet, public libraries, family, neighbors, the physical opportunities of the world around us, and life itself. Helping more people to have better focus and willpower, and better emotional balance, and health, would go a long way to improving a lot of other things with the economy, even if indirectly.

For example, given a choice between having 1 more fellow citizen become a scientist or engineer, or instead having 10 more fellow citizens not steal, hurt people, be lazy, lack the ability to think logically, be swayed by propaganda when voting, lack ability to manage their own money, lack ability to plan for their future and understand consequences of their choices, and understand the impacts of their choices on their children, family, neighbors, future generations, etc -- I'll take the second option, please.

More "higher" education? Good. Much better "lower" education? Ten times as good, I bet.

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fix student loans I put myself through school on a student loan. I was very grateful for it. I was charged a reasonable tax deductible interest rate. So I'm curious about what is actually broken?

The lack of bankruptcy protection comes to mind.

A college education is one of the few properties that can’t be repossessed in the event of bankruptcy.

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Some clarity and contact with reality: "The bailout was a mess" The efforts of big gumment to get people who couldn't afford a house into one that blew a housing bubble that popped and created the worst financial and economic disaster since the Great Depression "was a mess". The 'bailout', that is, the TARP program was not "a mess" at all but a grand success: (1) TARP made money. All or nearly all the money has been…

(3) TARP was not a 'bailout' but just to solve a short-term 'liquidity' problem, that is, as in 'runs' on the banks. Note: A 'liquidity' problem is when you are worth $10 million but have only $500 in cash and suddenly have a traffic ticket for $600 and have to pay up or go to jail right NOW. You have the money but just don't have it in cash right away; you can get the cash easily enough but will need some days or we…

"What would define a 'bailout' as then?"

It's to "help" someone in a "predicament". The context is that the someone is in trouble and to need the help is pejorative.

But with this definition, TARP was not a 'bailout'.

Help? The "help" is usually much like a gift and not likely to be paid back. The banks had to pay HIGH interest, and did. The US Treasury made out like vulture capital. In the end it was the banks, and their stockholders, who gave 'help' to the US Treasury and the US taxpayers.

Need? At least Goldman Sachs didn't need the money in any sense.

In most respects, the banks didn't really need the money; that's why they were able to pay back the money quickly with interest.

Any need there was was due just to the liquidity issue.

The main reason Paulson acted was to stop international runs on banks and, thus, save the world from something that stood to be worse than the financial collapse that caused the Great Depression.

Pejorative? Whatever the banks did wrong in blowing the housing bubble, the TARP effort was short term and not really the fault of the banks but caused by the Bear Stearns and Lehman problems and, thus, the FEAR (the seed of a bank run -- remember FDR) in the world that might have led to a run.

Recall also the 1987 stock market crash: Greenspan was at a big meeting, left, went to a phone, got the news, called the major NYC banks and told them "The window at the Fed is open". Greenspan was going to provide liquidity and avoid a liquidity problem that could have done serious damage.

My little example on the meaning of a liquidity problem was pitched at the grade school level. You SHOULD be able to understand it. Your reactions are way, WAY off base. If you don't like the ratio of $600 and $10 million, then assume $1 million and $10 million.

Or improve the example to be a college student who just inherited an office building worth $10 million but needs $600 for a DUI case. He's not broke, but he does have a liquidity problem. He can get the $600 but not in just a few minutes to get out of jail.

In finance, 'liquidity' is a crucial topic; you should quit straining to misunderstand it.

If you want a real example, then when my wife died, I faced $6000 in funeral expenses. I didn't have the $6000 in my checking account. But within the next month, I sold some stock, raised the $6000, and paid the bill. So I had a 'liquidity' problem. I could have borrowed money using the stock as collateral. Such a loan would not have been a 'bailout', or 'help' and nothing pejorative.

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Yeah, one is an accounting trick that penalizes everyone who saved money and the other has a serious chance of working. If startups were important they could have just cancelled the V-22 Osprey program which eats $2.8 billion per year, or ballistic missile defense at $9.9 billion, or DHS at $60 billion. $1 billion dollars over three years is probably less money than the gov't spends on toilet cleaning. It's equivalen…

Yes, but these are all separate decisions with their own (opportunity) costs, aren't they? Think of it this way: Why would the government invest in Facebook or Twitter when there are plenty of people who already have their wallets open? That goes for many tech startups -- YCombinator alone is very beneficial for the government in an indirect way because the government no longer needs to think about funding tech start…

No, he is simply an ignorant conservative hack. The boom and bust happened in the subprime loan market. Subprime loans are by definition those which are "sub-prime" (i.e. don't qualify for backing from Federal Agencies). This is why they were aggregated, sliced into parcels and sold on the market as CDOs rather than simply transferred to Fannie Mae.

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Here's my idea, up that to $2T by ending our current wars, forget start-ups, and instead invest it all into installing gigabit fiber to every home in the country. This would assure America's competitive infrastructure edge, and create more market opportunity than we can currently fathom.

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The bailout was a mess, but I feel there's some truth to what Kissenger wrote a while back: basically, a leader will never be given credit for choosing between two evils (a possible crisis, or a poorly-executed bailout) because you will never be able to prove with certainty how bad the other option would have been. We have no way to truly know what things would be like without the bailout, and we really ought to thin…

Some clarity and contact with reality: "The bailout was a mess" The efforts of big gumment to get people who couldn't afford a house into one that blew a housing bubble that popped and created the worst financial and economic disaster since the Great Depression "was a mess". The 'bailout', that is, the TARP program was not "a mess" at all but a grand success: (1) TARP made money. All or nearly all the money has been…

I'm in full agreement about the media commonly distorting... everything in some way, but to say that we wouldn't be in Iraq or Afganistan if it weren't for them? I don't think it was Fox News who broke the story about 'Uranium shipments from Niger', it was the White House. Clearly the media had NO part in constructing CIA intelligence that led us to Iraq, they just repeated what we were told.

Same thing with your China implication, that they wouldn't be where they were without the US media distorting information... that just doesn't make sense to me. Please explain if you can

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> 1. Fix the healthcare system. Right now, you're punished if you don't work for a large company in the sense that you're charged up the wazoo for health insurance. Work for a large company and it's close to free. No, it's not "almost free". It's paid for by the company. And yes, paying yourself is tax-deductible in many circumstances. I've actually paid for health insurance out of pocket as an "older american". Rent…

The US and Canadian government spend the same amount per person on healthcare but Canada has universal health care. On average the US and Canadian healthcare systems provide vary similar outcomes on average. So, clearly more government involvement is an option. But, so is less the US could save a ridiculous amount of money if we could stop wasting it on end of life care that proves little to no benefit. Healthcare is…

Canadian here: Your post is kind of at odds with the final question you posed.

You can have the money AND not sacrifice health outcomes. As you said, Cdn and US governments spend the same amount of money for the same outcomes.

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