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Re: The Gnome Project is closing all its mailing lists

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> they piss some people off by making radical choices No, people are not pissed off by the radicality of the choices. Stop taking people for uneducated jokers. People are pissed off because they understand the choices and do not agree with them or what they imply. Gamification, pushing apps and app stores, using the same disempowering concepts as mobile plateforms, changing design every so often for no good reason, f…

I did not interpret "radical" in the prior comment to have either a positive or negative connotation. It merely implies that some of GNOME's decisions are polarizing and a drastic departure from norms, not that people who object to those decisions are "uneducated jokers". I think it's great that a few open source projects are willing to be more radical and experimental, even if that results in pissing off a large num…

> The alternative seems to be a kind of milquetoast design-by-committee that satisfies the majority of people but also perpetually plays catch up to proprietary products by recreating their features without ever breaking new ground.

How is this not a description of gnome? I specifically argue this is my previous comment. In contrast to say plasma/xfce/lxqt which are mostly an idealized windows xp in terms of concepts, ie a frozen target, not playing catch-up.

> I did not interpret "radical" in the prior comment to have either a positive or negative connotation.

Neither do i. :)

> It merely implies that some of GNOME's decisions are polarizing and a drastic departure from norms, [..]

> I think it's great that a few open source projects are willing to be more radical and experimental [..]

This is not true, they are following quite closely the most recent trends in design. Specifically mobile platforms and quite apple-like: round squares, low-contrast thin-outlines, switch-style toggles, dock and launchpad-style app selector, simple window decoration, hamburgers, ... And this is a well-known choice, which has a history, motivations, requisites, etc. And surprise! the critics made at gnome are kind of the same (with a lower intensity) that are maid at apple or at mobile walled gardens: being dumbed-down, hiding OS concepts, discouraging any customization.

I'm really not very angry at gnome. It's fine to do this design style. I don't use it but not because of the look, in fact i like some apps they do. They just need to understand better how and why the thing they are inspired by has been maid and pay attention the the stuff that they should not reproduce, either because it doesn't make any sense in their case or because it's bad for the users.

Re: The Gnome Project is closing all its mailing lists

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Closing mailing lists is another step away from the free Internet. Mailing lists have searchable, multiple, non-centralized archives and are harder to censor. Discourse is centralized, moderators delete messages, rename and manipulate threads. The inner circle has all the power. Upvotes induce groupthink and cliques.

What about something like Matrix.org?

Re: The Gnome Project is closing all its mailing lists

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Does the file picker show thumbnails yet?

No, but hopefully that issue is resolved soon: https://feaneron.com/2022/10/21/the-death-of-the-meme/

Omg, what will the GNOME haters do now... They will have to make up something new.

Re: The Gnome Project is closing all its mailing lists

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GTK was a GUI toolkit, it was DE agnostic and also cross platform (though it looked like shit). But as we can see from your comment GTK was captured by GNOME to be a GNOME exclusive project, if a change broke XFCE , GNOME people pretended they do not know what an XFCE is.

GTK has long been under the GNOME umbrella. The XFCE folks are welcome to fork GTK to support their own use cases.

They don't need to fork it. GTK is only tied to GNOME for maintenance and development. Using GTK in an app doesn't make it a GNOME app.

Re: The Gnome Project is closing all its mailing lists

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Well yeah, if you use a gnome app, it'll look like a gnome app. In other news, if you use green paint, it'll paint things green.

I didn't know chromium was a gnome app. Now I hate them for manifest v3.

It's a GTK app, not a GNOME app. I mean, it uses GTK, but it has no dependency on the GNOME desktop.
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