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Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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I often wonder how much money Apple makes from the fact that lightning cables all seem to die after a few months. I have usb cables that are decades old that still work, but lightning…

Yes because it’s impossible to buy third party Lightning cables…

Apple takes a cut from every licensed Lightning cable sold.

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Couldn't agree more. I don't understand why the HN crowd is so supportive of government telling people what to do, as evidenced by your rapid downvotes. I don't use an iPhone but I'm disappointed Apple caved.

It's not much different than governments regulating electrical power oulets/plugs. And no one thinks that that should be a free-for-all. Of course, there's still fragmentation among different continents/countries, but that was inevitable given the time periods these things were standardised. It's unfortunate that the world didn't decide on one standard, but at least almost all countries are internally consistent. The…

We should allow electrical and networking companies to innovate again. If Cisco wants to use something else instead of RJ45, they should be allowed to be.

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Nice. Hope that one day they will come after power tool batteries too.

They should start with the batteries first :D Every device in that smart home innovation comes with some battery that I have never seen before.

Power tools already have a standard, smart home is a totally different beast though, and AFAIK most items should use USB-C?

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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I, surprised they hadn’t changed over yet, only major manufacturer not to yet, and they went all in on USB-C on iPads and MacBooks.

"$43.5B on Lightning cable sales alone" ~ https://medium.com/swlh/the-real-reason-apple-doesnt-want-to...

>Apple sold more than 2.2 billion iPhones and more than 360 million iPads before they stopped making numbers public.

>Say for every second iPhone or iPad sold, a user bought just one extra Apple Lightning cable for $19 which probably costs Apple around $1 (if not less) to make.

>That’s give or take $43.5B on Lightning cable sales alone.

I don't follow, `(2.2B + 360M) / 2 * 18` is not 43.5B.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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The EU regulations have regular reevaluations of the format built in. So if something better comes along, it can replace USB-C at that point.

whos going to invest knowing their investment could be completely wasted on the whims of beaurocrats and on their schedule?

Who's going to invest in anything when the government can come, outlaw your product and throw you in jail?

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Yes because it’s impossible to buy third party Lightning cables…

Apple takes a cut from every licensed Lightning cable sold.

I doubt that Apple is getting a “cut” of the $5 cables you can buy from Amazon or your local bodega.

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Companies are trying to move to wireless charging anyway, so innovation would have been expected to be in that direction, and that will not be hampered.

Literally who uses wireless charging

Literally me.

Re: Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law

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It's sad that it took legislation to make this happen, but I can see why. I worked in a pseudo-Apple-store during the height of the 30-pin dock connector and I sold so many cases, speaker docks, charging cables, and all sorts of weird accessories that were built for the 30-pin connector. Then Apple switched to Lightning. It was better in every. single. way. And yet people got burnt. There was so much hardware that wa…

Are you proposing the alternative was that Apple kept supporting 30 pin connectors? And despite your anecdotes, evidence shows that switching didn’t hurt Apple sales. What were the people who were “burnt” by Apple abandoning 30 pin connectors going to do? Switch to Android and still have to switch cables?

Yep. And even worse they probably would have had to switch from Micro USB to USB-C again when they upgraded.

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you may not buy the "but muh innovation" - its also sad that that passes for discourse for you - but it is economic fact. whats your opinion on "muh regulatory capture"? what about lightning vs microusb?

I don't see anybody complaining about the RJ45 format, or NEMA. If you let companies run wild they would probably come up with a way to shove DRM into connectors.

Oh, people complain about NEMA all the time. It's objectively the worst commonly used socket+plug system from a safety perspective. It's somewhat mitigated by the common voltage being half of what the Europlug etc sees.

RJ45 (akchually 8p8c) also has its issues: people complain about how easy it is to break off the stupid plastic tab all the time.

There's proto-DRM in SFP connectors though, you're right. There's an EEPROM in the connector since it needs to negotiate with whatever it's plugged in to, and companies like Juniper and Cisco will only support their own optics (at least, they used to).

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