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The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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> Swatting doesn't work in any other country than America because in any other country than America A Twitch streamer was swatted in the UK [1]. [1] https://www.shacknews.com/article/131816/twitch-streamer-kef...

> A Twitch streamer was swatted in the UK It says "Canadian" in the headline and throughout the article. Still a country other than America, but not the UK.

But also the most similar country there is to the USA.

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yeah, and that was literally front page news and was an incredibly unusual event. Furthermore, Östermalm has always been a place full of somewhat disreputable people, even though it ended up a place where relatively rich people lived. Notice that the story you're talking about involves prostitutes and all sorts of deranged stuff. These people may have been associates of the upper class, but there is a reason we Swede…

> that was literally front page news and was an incredibly unusual event. My point wasn't about the specific case (obviously multiple horrific murders are not a common occurrence), I meant the general milieu of drug addiction, law-breaking, prostitution; the disgustingly dirty slum conditions that people lived in - all of which was accompanied by police corruption and brutality. Naturally none of this is popular to b…

Citing statistics would be a lot more convincing than basing an argument around a single news story. I was under the impression that crime statistics show a deterioration. Is that not the case? (not a downvoter, btw, but maybe that's what they're objecting to)

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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A landlord in Sweden cannot increase the rent out of the blue. If there is a rental contract in place at least. If renting without a contract for some weird reason, well, you better be sure you rent from someone you trust. Like in most other countries I would expect.

Probably raised at renewal. Deflecting the issue really doesnt help. My advice stands - people should exercise due diligence before moving to that country.

I think 'people should exercise due diligence' before moving to any country!

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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"This system was built and created for a different time where criminality was pretty much absent in Sweden" When was this golden age of (almost) no crime, I wonder?

Maybe 35-40 years ago. My grandmother never locked her door when she was at home, for example, even in 2020, because she'd lived so long in society as it was that she literally couldn't believe that it could end up as it had; and this wasn't due to stupidity. It was actually safe and normal once.

Most people I know in the Swedish countryside still don't look any of their doors.

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Based on my observations from having Swedish friends and spending time in Sweden, a lot of the rise of the extreme right there can be directly attributed to the tensions resulting from the Syrian refugee crisis. The last time I was in Sweden, ordinary folks were expressing ideas like "well maybe not everyone deserves free healthcare". Like many western nations, economic opportunities and quality of social services is…

> Standard practice for right wing parties to blame immigrants (or refugees, etc.). On the flip side, standard practice for left wing parties is to deny that immigration causes any problems at all and call you racist for even trying to discuss it. However, as we are seeing in Sweden, sometimes the problems become too big to ignore.

People aren't just "trying to discuss it". Plenty of outright racism in Sweden.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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> Freedom of expression is actually relatively limited in Sweden I was curious about this so found https://www.riksdagen.se/en/how-the-riksdag-works/democracy/... In it they write: "In Sweden, you have the right to have an opinion on anything and say almost anything you want. You have the right to express yourself freely on the radio, TV and the Internet. The Fundamental Law on Freedom of Expression sets out these ri…

It's fairly difficult to establish criminal levels of defamation. A recent high profile case in Sweden seems to establish that persecuting a man, acquitted by court, with continued accusations of sexual assault, through wide-audience Twitter and similar, as well as a number of moderately large audience paper publications, qualifies. (For context: in the social environment in question the consequences effectively dest…

Multiple women were sentenced during #metoo. Presumably one took five years because they first tried to prosecute her for her book, which didn't succeed.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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I'm sure also in Sweden nobody can figure out where the products you buy on Amazon are really produced or where a company is really paying taxes (if any). People have no right for privacy, but we allow companies and their products to be as anonymous as it gets. Find the mistake!

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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I don't understand how you don't revolt against this to be honest. And in terms of 'safe', didn't the extreme right just win big because the mainstream parties totally ignore the uptick in organized violent crime? At least that's what they said in the news here, perhaps it's not fully accurate. I understand state agencies might want to see personal data, though I often don't agree. Having it available for anyone to s…

Organized violent crime is mostly gang wars so ordinary people aren't directly affected. Although you could have bad luck and be mistaken for one of these gang members I guess.

I don't agree. I was in the Netherlands when there were gang wars in Amsterdam and these guys don't care about collateral damage at all. One time they shot up a tram full of people during some gang fight.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Initial reaction: WTF?! The more I think about it though, the more I'm aligned with the idea — except the home address part, that's just mental and dangerous. So all your details like salary, social security number, etc. are public. What's the end result? For me, nothing. I _could_ care less, but not by much. I know people get all worked up about things like their social security number being exposed, "because fraud!…

There is a strange dichotomy between extreme transparency and extreme privacy. Both sound great despite of being mutually exclusive (you can't have transparency without loss of privacy). It seems like a complete mental blockage to reason about both simulatenously and it's hard to crystallize arguments.
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