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The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

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Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#151

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Yes, these days we lock our homes even when we're home.

for what its worth im in America (where crime is way way higher) and i don't consider that normal. probably a cultural thing.

Interesting

Can someone enter your house without using any force or tools?

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#152

One of the "pranks" we play on expats moving to Sweden is to look them up on hitta.se, take a screenshot and send it back to them saying "this you?". They always freak out and with reason, these sites contain an obscene amount of personal information about you. Some of them even give you people's salary history, which is slightly harder to obtain but also totally legal. The weirdest thing I thought is that most Swede…

I don't understand how you don't revolt against this to be honest.

And in terms of 'safe', didn't the extreme right just win big because the mainstream parties totally ignore the uptick in organized violent crime? At least that's what they said in the news here, perhaps it's not fully accurate.

I understand state agencies might want to see personal data, though I often don't agree. Having it available for anyone to see certainly would not make me feel safer.

But anyway I will never live in Sweden anyway. If the Swedish are happy with this, so be it. I just find it hard to understand.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#153
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The ones responsible for this would not really care if you highlighted them.

Actually they often do. It is not that uncommom that politicians, government workers etc quit or get fired when embarrasing things are exposed. Esp if it relates to making personal economic gains from the position one has.

When it becomes common it stops being embarassing.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#154

One of the "pranks" we play on expats moving to Sweden is to look them up on hitta.se, take a screenshot and send it back to them saying "this you?". They always freak out and with reason, these sites contain an obscene amount of personal information about you. Some of them even give you people's salary history, which is slightly harder to obtain but also totally legal. The weirdest thing I thought is that most Swede…

Do you get a lot of scam calls? In the US this is a problem, I think most of the calls just use telephony software to automate and brute force every possible number. They spoof the originating phone number but they 99.9% likelihood are coming from another country with call centers like India or the Philippines.

If you can access every Swedish citizen's data, this could be attractive for scammers especially if you want to target elderly people. What about automated calls in general and spam?

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#155
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Swatting works in USA because of how the police handle it. In Sweden, and in most of the world, you would get a knock on the door and some questions from two policemen. US police going in blind no-knock raids with weapons hot on the basis of a single anonymous phone call is the issue, not public addresses.

Does Sweden have something like CPS? In America, if someone discovers you have a child they can make repeated allegation to CPS. CPS is required to investigate and they're also required by law to not disclose who reported it. So having your name in a book with any evidence you have children allows anyone to harrass you endlessly, each time you'll be under investigation for weeks to months and you can never find out w…

Sweden has an its version of CPS. The first time they will do an investigation but without any proof, nothing will happen. After a few of these without any indication of harm being done to the child they will just ignore them as it has been investigated.

You can’t really cause problems for people this way.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#156
"the laws do not apply if they contravenes the constitution"

Isn't the EU based on the primacy of EU laws over local ones? The Sweden constitution should have been amended long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_European_Union_law

"The principle was derived from an interpretation of the European Court of Justice, which ruled that European law has priority over any contravening national law, including the constitution of a member state itself"

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#157
Also a bit remarkable is that your social security number (personnummer) is not only used to identify you with official and government services, but also with every company you might have a customer account with. It consists of your birthdate and 4 numbers (which some people use as their pin code on their devices).

On the other hand there's 2FA: when identifying to a service (like when calling customer support) you're asked for your personnummer, after which you have to open an app on your smartphone to verify with a 6 digit pin code.

The trust in eachother went pretty far apparently, where garage sales sometimes just meant an open barn with a notice. Things for sale would have the price + an account number to make the payment to. (But haven't come across this myself yet, times are changing)

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#158

One of the "pranks" we play on expats moving to Sweden is to look them up on hitta.se, take a screenshot and send it back to them saying "this you?". They always freak out and with reason, these sites contain an obscene amount of personal information about you. Some of them even give you people's salary history, which is slightly harder to obtain but also totally legal. The weirdest thing I thought is that most Swede…

Do you get a lot of scam calls? In the US this is a problem, I think most of the calls just use telephony software to automate and brute force every possible number. They spoof the originating phone number but they 99.9% likelihood are coming from another country with call centers like India or the Philippines. If you can access every Swedish citizen's data, this could be attractive for scammers especially if you wan…

Fully automated robocalls are… just not a thing here. There are some phone salespeople but personally I don't think I've got more than a single digit amount of calls per year.

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#159

One upside of everyone's name, date of birth, address and personal ID number being public knowledge in Sweden is that organisations don't treat knowing any of those as proof of your identity. It's absurd how that's not the case in other places.

This is a really nice benefit. It honestly was weird coming from a country where knowing the social security number alone lets you take over someone's life and as such is highly regulated and locked down. The first time a random site prompted me for my personnummer I had a heart attack. But once you adjust to it for a second, it's quite nice. My personnummer is public info, and that's fine. With just that number alon…

> . It honestly was weird coming from a country where knowing the social security number alone lets you take over someone's life and as such is highly regulated and locked down

I guess that's better than the US where the SSN can take over someone's life and is completely unregulated and not at all locked down

Re: The only way of being anonymous in Sweden is illegal?

#160
» The short answer is that the only legal way is to apply for protected identity ... since it requires your life to be threatened

Relatively simple way to get protected identity is to cross certain religion. Become apostate, publish nasty comics etc.. There were some nasty cases and police provides some level of protection, without too much questioning.

Don't ask me for details.

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