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Re: DontBuyDell.com

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The XPS was their higher end answer to the unibody Macbooks a few years back, and peer with Lenovo's Thinkpad X-series. The Inspiron line is a "cheap is expensive" trap for consumers, you can't blame people if they judge the whole company for their mass-consumption offering when its cheap build breaks at the hinges for everybody.

Frankly, if they're cutting corners on one product to the point it affects their brand image, they're probably cutting corners on all of them. This is one thing Apple gets right, their products are solid all the way down to the low end (iPhone SE et al). (After reading further I see others have made the same point. Oops.)

Apple SE is of course not really "low end".

But I do agree with your overall point; back when I worked at a computer store people would come in to buy a laptop, and they wouldn't want a HP – even when that was actually a good model and a good fit for their needs – because they had a bad experience with a HP printer. I think that's actually pretty fair too, although I usually explained that the people who design the HP printers most likely never even talked to the people who design the HP laptops, and that even within $brand laptops there are are huge fundamental differences.

I suppose that overall, on balance, the brand recognition of "Dell" or "HP" outweighs the negative associations people have across the product range.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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Definitely, not “in a way”. It is easy enough to see. Most people who need a laptop just need a cheap plastic shell, maybe with some middle tier gaming GPU, and some modicum of durability. I am off the Apple laptops since they went ARM and the OS left be wanting, but their hardware quality is still the best. Their prices reflect that (plus the Apple tax).

When you compare the prices of an Apple MacBook to a comparable higher end machine, the prices are not really that different.

I would say the quality is pretty similar too, model depending. On the low end, quality is not comparable (nor are the prices) but you can at least acquire "lower end" hardware with Apple's build quality for a step up in price.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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> old Thinkpad Except older hardware is terrible from a price/performance/power point of view. The minute you actually start to use the computer for something intensive, you'd rather have a more modern, faster, lower power-consumption laptop. It shouldn't be too hard to find 8+ hours of battery life from a typical $700 laptop these days. Add a few more hundreds of dollars to get 12th or 13th gen Intel and/or M1 Macbo…

As someone with a ThinkPad from 2018, I consider general-purpose compute a problem that was solved by Intel 8th gen i5 (and higher). Bumped the RAM and SSD after I got it. Got my battery replaced a few months ago, and I'll happily replace it again if needed. There's virtually no good reason for me personally to replace this laptop. It would be like buying a new phone because 'scroll performance is sluggish' after 6 y…

Oh trust me, I know where you're coming from. I'm one of "those guys" who was really hyped up about netbooks in the 2010s.

But its performance-per-watt that people want today, which leads to smaller batteries and longer laptop-time per charge. You can't just buy low-power chips from 5 years ago and hope to keep up with today's technology, the process advantage from smaller transistors is just too powerful to keep up with.

As today's laptops reach 24+ hours per charge, its less about "compute power" and more about "battery life" for most people. The fact is, today's laptops get you both.

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This is actually why I'm intrigued by Intel's P+E cores. The E-cores are from the Atom-line, meaning Intel has effectively made all 12th gen / 13th gen laptops Intel Atoms to some extent. So you have the "netbook" portion of your laptop offering incredible battery life, with the P-cores if you need to run Blender, video games, or some other high-compute problem.

If you're just gonna surf the web and watch videos, the E-cores are more than sufficient and will last over 24 hours (ex: LG Gram)

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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On the contrary I've had great experiences with Dell's business line (Latitude, Precision models). Likewise the business warranty is excellent - log into TechDirect and I can submit a ticket for any one of the machines in my fleet. Dell will either send a technician out to service it in the field, or they'll mail me an empty box so I can send the unit in for repair. Consumer _anything_ is going to be hit or miss. Thi…

Oh how I wish the Latitude line had Ryzen and USB4.

The latest Latitudes have USB4: https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-us/latitude-15-5530-...

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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Bought a XPS 15 2020 at the release, wifi didn't work and trackpad was terribly wobbly. Tried to return it two days after delivery and then the nightmare began.

For some reason Dell kept saying that I was a business and refused to accept the returned package (apparently business doesn't have the 14 days return policy?), I had to waste 5+ hours in the phone talking with multiple people, trying to prove that I'm a normal costumer, at the end I literally had to send a picture of the delivery address showing that it was my house and not an office, after that they decided to accept the return.

I'll never get any product from Dell again.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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I had a Dell M4800 with external 9cell slice battery. They claimed that a broken docking connector (pins folding on themselves) isn't covered by warranty because everyone knows that batteries are consumables only the cells still held >90% of the original capacity and weren't what needed replacement. Docking connectors sure shouldn't be consumables on a 4k€ laptop.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

#227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly, if they're cutting corners on one product to the point it affects their brand image, they're probably cutting corners on all of them. This is one thing Apple gets right, their products are solid all the way down to the low end (iPhone SE et al). (After reading further I see others have made the same point. Oops.)

Apple SE is of course not really "low end". But I do agree with your overall point; back when I worked at a computer store people would come in to buy a laptop, and they wouldn't want a HP – even when that was actually a good model and a good fit for their needs – because they had a bad experience with a HP printer. I think that's actually pretty fair too, although I usually explained that the people who design the H…

> I usually explained that the people who design the HP printers most likely never even talked to the people who design the HP laptops

While that is certainly true, the overall priorities of the company (is customer service important, which customers matter, how important is initial quality vs ongoing support, etc) are set at higher levels; many ties one that both those teams report up to.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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Apple has been rock solid for me for a decade. Their priorities aren’t fully aligned with mine, but they’re as close as any company I know of. I really want to try a System76 or Framework as my next machine.

Starlabs too, plenty of Linux laptops out there. Arguably a little over-priced but can you really put a dollar value on removing dystopian tech like Intel ME? Old Thinkpads support Coreboot reliably if you feel like a DIY approach as well.

I don't think they are overpriced, I think that they price their product realistically. They're competing in a niche market and the ethos of that niche means that their target customers categorically will not accept the bloat that comes with consumer laptops from the big manufacturers, who subsidise the lower margins on these models with bloatware. Cost to serve consumers is likely a lot higher than business as businesses are generally prepared to pay for that extra cover.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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On the contrary I've had great experiences with Dell's business line (Latitude, Precision models). Likewise the business warranty is excellent - log into TechDirect and I can submit a ticket for any one of the machines in my fleet. Dell will either send a technician out to service it in the field, or they'll mail me an empty box so I can send the unit in for repair. Consumer _anything_ is going to be hit or miss. Thi…

I'm sympathetic to the idea that the consumer line has less support and extras than a business-class device backed by an enterprise support agreement. I'm not sympathetic to someone dropping $1,400 USD on a new laptop, and gets written off because "consumer _anything_ is hit or miss". Like, half of the complaints come from devices like the XPS 13, which isn't some $300 cheap-o WallMart special, that's supposed to be…

It's also funny because for most years the XPS is the exact same device as the enterprise model just with a better support contract.

Re: DontBuyDell.com

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Friend of mine had an XPS; I don't remember exactly how much it cost, but it was certainly not the cheapest, so ~$1000 USD at least. After about 1.5 to 2 years the battery started swelling up, and became essentially unusable. Turns out they even had a recall for this model, but who keeps track of that so he never knew. Tried to order a new battery from Dell: they don't deliver them any more, no way to buy it from Del…

The XPS was their higher end answer to the unibody Macbooks a few years back, and peer with Lenovo's Thinkpad X-series. The Inspiron line is a "cheap is expensive" trap for consumers, you can't blame people if they judge the whole company for their mass-consumption offering when its cheap build breaks at the hinges for everybody.

Between the 27 engineers that make up my teams, we have had to do nearly 50 battery replacements due to swollen batteries in the the last 3 years. All on the business class precision line.
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