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Re: EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to Switch to USB-C

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Post by olliej » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 10:13 PM UTC

foepys wrote: post #52

olliej wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So to be clear your belief is that Apple should have shipped micro-usb instead of lightning? Or is your belief that Apple should aggressively make users replace all their accessories?

There was never a law demanding Micro-USB. The availability of USB-C phones for 5+ years should be be proof enough. The previous iteration of the law in the OP only encouraged the industry to get together and make a decision to use a single connector. This didn't happen because Apple just refused to participate and now the lawmakers are sick of it and stepped it up.

> This didn't happen because Apple just refused to participate and now the lawmakers are sick of it and stepped it up.

Apple had a huge number of existing users, with existing accessories, before usb-c was even standardized, let alone before it was available in quantity. Look at how people complained about apple dropping the 30pin connector, and replacing it with something superior in every single way - how do you think that would have gone? Hell when the usb-c macbooks started coming out people complained incessantly about no one having usb-c.

This bizarre belief that there is absolutely no reason to not have switched to usb-c is annoying BS - there is very clearly a tradeoff, and Apple didn't think it was worth it. I'm going with what others in the thread have said, and expect any plug at all to disappear. Although then it sounds like Brazil will have a shit fit about that instead.

Re: EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to Switch to USB-C

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Post by btbuilder » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 10:56 PM UTC

raspyberr wrote: post #80

Speaking of one charging port being different to everyone else? Does anyone know why, in the UK, shaving sockets are 2 pronged whilst every other socket in a house is 3 pronged?

I would think it's because of the different current specifications.

In the UK most electrical outlets are on ring circuits that are limited to 32A - that's a whopping 7.5kW. Fuses in the plugs of specific appliances provide additional protection with 13A being the largest (3kW) required.

Bathroom outlets are required to have a separate transformer that isolates ground. This prevents the possibility of any electric shock from a short to earth. The current the isolated transformer provides is limited so connecting a regular appliance cannot be allowed.

Re: EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to Switch to USB-C

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Post by foepys » Wed, Oct 26, 2022, 4:36 AM UTC

olliej wrote: post #91

foepys wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was never a law demanding Micro-USB. The availability of USB-C phones for 5+ years should be be proof enough. The previous iteration of the law in the OP only encouraged the industry to get together and make a decision to use a single connector. This didn't happen because Apple just refused to participate and now the lawmakers are sick of it and stepped it up.

> This didn't happen because Apple just refused to participate and now the lawmakers are sick of it and stepped it up. Apple had a huge number of existing users, with existing accessories, before usb-c was even standardized, let alone before it was available in quantity. Look at how people complained about apple dropping the 30pin connector, and replacing it with something superior in every single way - how do you th…

Apple obviously didn't think it was worth it. They sold billions of adapters and licenses for the lightning connector.

Re: EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to Switch to USB-C

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Post by arcticbull » Wed, Oct 26, 2022, 6:52 AM UTC

foepys wrote: post #93

olliej wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This didn't happen because Apple just refused to participate and now the lawmakers are sick of it and stepped it up. Apple had a huge number of existing users, with existing accessories, before usb-c was even standardized, let alone before it was available in quantity. Look at how people complained about apple dropping the 30pin connector, and replacing it with something superior in every single way - how do you th…

Apple obviously didn't think it was worth it. They sold billions of adapters and licenses for the lightning connector.

Thing is they can still do that with the USB Type-C Authentication Specification. It's really confusing to me why they decided not to just do it.

They may get rid of the physical connectors but wireless charging is already Qi, PAN connectivity is already Bluetooth and WiFi - all of which are industry standards. If they insist, what did we really lose? I guess efficiency of charge?