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EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to Switch to USB-C

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Re: EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to Switch to USB-C

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Post by batiudrami »

sneak wrote: post #5

I think Apple’s response will be to go port-free, like the Apple Watch. The eSIM move was one of the last steps.

I don’t really know why people think this. Wireless is a mostly bad way to charge phones with a couple of good applications (phone mounts in cars, and bedside docks). They’re less energy efficient, they’re bad for the battery, they’re slower, they are less portable, some are noisy (either fans or coil rattle). It would make many cars with wired only CarPlay obsolete, which would be wildly unpopular.

Apple couldn’t get AirPower to be good enough to release - I don’t see a world where iPhones transition to wireless charging any time soon. The next iPhone will be USB-C, aligning with all current iPads and Macs. I don’t think Apple are even particularly against it; they’re just afraid of the backlash they got after changing connector last time and would rather put that off as long as possible.

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Post by foepys »

olliej wrote: post #41
arcticbull wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly Apple wasn't making the leap, so I'm ok with them getting a shove.

So to be clear your belief is that Apple should have shipped micro-usb instead of lightning? Or is your belief that Apple should aggressively make users replace all their accessories?

There was never a law demanding Micro-USB. The availability of USB-C phones for 5+ years should be be proof enough.

The previous iteration of the law in the OP only encouraged the industry to get together and make a decision to use a single connector.

This didn't happen because Apple just refused to participate and now the lawmakers are sick of it and stepped it up.

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Post by ls15 »

sneak wrote: post #5

I think Apple’s response will be to go port-free, like the Apple Watch. The eSIM move was one of the last steps.

There is a wide range of high quality music apps that only run on iOS. Wireless audio is not an option for playing instruments, because of a noticeable delay between pressing a button and hearing a sound. They already killed the audio ports, but with dongles musicians can at least still use wired headphones.

Killing all ports would also kill all instruments on iOS.

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Post by midoridensha »

wildzzz wrote: post #49
warbler73 wrote: post #36

I really dislike USB-C, they have failed at a higher rate than previous USB connector styles.

Anecdotally, I've never had a type C connector permanently fail on me. Nearly all of my micro-USB phones have been so damaged they refuse to charge without putting a bunch of stress on the connector in a specific direction. Even other micro-USB device sive had fail easily. My type C devices have held up well. Although I do like the lightning connector more, I honestly cannot explain why the cables always seem to be m…

I always liked miniUSB connectors; they seemed pretty rugged despite having a small size. microUSB seemed like a step backwards; it was smaller (mainly thinner), but much more delicate.

USB-C seems to be significantly more durable than microUSB, and it can handle a really impressive amount of power.

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Post by rasz »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #28
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This law does not carve the USB-C into stone. There is a review mechanism and a mechanism for monitoring the market and approving another port in the future when it's time to do so. This is done through the USB Implementers Forum. All this law really, truly does is force manufacturers to sit around a table and work out a single solution for the whole electronics market. EU doesn't really care about USB-C or USB-D or…

That's a bit strange. The USB Implementers Forum people are partly why we're in this mess. What if someone comes up with something just better, and doesn't want to deal with the cruft and backward compatibility requirements of USB?

micro USB is 15 years old, mini 17. Just after introduction of mini everyone and their dog tried pushing their own slightly tweaked proprietary variant. There were at least 6 separate incompatible shapes. Sony had one (afair different shield bend on the mini connector), Nikon, Canon etc. It gets better, sometimes same connector had different pinouts depending on the brand https://connector.pinoutguide.com/8_pin_UC-E6_like-mini-usb_... thats 8 different pinout for same non standard connector.

Nowadays only one brand is against interoperability.

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Post by midoridensha »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #18
MisterSandman wrote: post #4

Just curious, what happens when USB C gets outdated and needs to be replaced?

This law does not carve the USB-C into stone. There is a review mechanism and a mechanism for monitoring the market and approving another port in the future when it's time to do so. This is done through the USB Implementers Forum. All this law really, truly does is force manufacturers to sit around a table and work out a single solution for the whole electronics market. EU doesn't really care about USB-C or USB-D or…

>they just require industry to set aside pettiness and work out a solution.\

The problem isn't "the industry" being petty, it's Apple, and Apple alone. Everyone else got over their idiotic pettiness and attempts at proprietary connectors many, many years ago and jumped on the USB bandwagon.

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Post by midoridensha »

josefx wrote: post #43
1123581321 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That committee can easily hold the standard hostage unless the EU allows innovative manufacturers to prove new connectors in the real world.

Then lets hope that Apple doesn't get a vote, because they have been the only ones who have stubbornly kept fucking it up after the ultimatum was declared.

They can have a vote, just don't give them veto power like the way the UN Security Council works. Let's be real here: the only problematic manufacturer these days in this regard is Apple. Everyone else is happy to use USB these days and work with each other on further iterations of the USB spec. One vote from a bad actor out of many isn't going to affect anything.

Re: EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to Switch to USB-C

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Post by rasz »

wildzzz wrote: post #49
warbler73 wrote: post #36

I really dislike USB-C, they have failed at a higher rate than previous USB connector styles.

Anecdotally, I've never had a type C connector permanently fail on me. Nearly all of my micro-USB phones have been so damaged they refuse to charge without putting a bunch of stress on the connector in a specific direction. Even other micro-USB device sive had fail easily. My type C devices have held up well. Although I do like the lightning connector more, I honestly cannot explain why the cables always seem to be m…

You are talking socket mounting durability.
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