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Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by rglullis »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #373
rglullis wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a problem of most buzzwords, there is no formal definition and it largely depends on context. If I were to give you my attempt of an definition, it would be: the main idea behind "web3" is to have systems where no single entity can gate-keep users. It's not supposed to be "better than web 1.0", but mostly to be a contrast with the "walled garden" platforms and social networks that defined "web 2.0". So, by that…

Thanks; the last part seems like "non-repudiation" - I did not think we need either centralized entities OR blockchain for that; I may be wrong though?

Maybe it was a bad example to talk about messaging. It's not just the "is this data really who they claimed to be", but also "is this data part of transaction between multiple parties who do not trust each other"?

You need to have distributed consensus to avoid double-spending. Can you have distributed consensus without blockchain? Yes, but only if your participants are selected a priori, e.g, Distributed Paxos.

The problem that blockchains solve is that it is the only practical way to solve consensus between parties that do not trust each other and that are not pre-agreed on.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by rglullis »

ajross wrote: post #379
rglullis wrote: post #371

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> And that this giant act of fiat There was no "giant act of fiat". The merge only happened because the overwhelming majority of participants were in full support of such a change. At no single point of time, the ETH developers had any way to decree that the beacon chain was the only one that had any value. > That's simply the truth. Thank you though for finally showing that you are just full of dishonest rhetoric.

Explain how "government by the overwhelming majority" is consistent with "self-sovereignty"? Some people didn't want the merge to happen. It happened anyway. What about their "self-sovereignty"? Again, you're just saying that you thought this fork was a good fork. And for the record: I agree, it was a good fork. But it was still a fork, and thus still a successful attack on the network. Someday, one of those attacks…

You really think that any of this BS rhetoric is flying?

> What about their "self-sovereignty"?

Self-sovereignty is not about "always getting things my way". Is about being able to participate in a system without having some higher authority controlling access.

> successful attack on the network.

A "successful" attack is when someone manages to subvert the system to do something for their personal favor. The system was not subverted. for the merge to happen, the rules had to be defined and followed by everyone. Fuck, the reason that the merge was postponed so many times is because they wanted to have SIX different clients that could reliably participate in the beacon chain.

> If they want to steal your coins, they can.

No one stole anything. The old ETH PoW chain is still there. No one's balances got altered. The fact that most people started seeing that as worthless was not "by fiat".

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by rglullis »

robertlagrant wrote: post #374
rglullis wrote: post #310

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> how does a web3 domain name solve the domain problem any better than just buying a domain? Was that your question? The answer is simple: once you lease (ENS only works with leases, just like traditional domain registrars, so I'll void the term "buy") a web3 domain, there is no one that can unilaterally take it away from you. > Ah, ok, so this is all in theory. Not exactly. It's possible, but impractical. If you are…

> The answer is simple: once you lease (ENS only works with leases, just like traditional domain registrars, so I'll void the term "buy") a web3 domain, there is no one that can unilaterally take it away from you. This is all in the context of someone who didn't pay their domain renewal, and so it lapsed a few weeks later. How would this system behave differently?

This is also in the context of namecheap blocking people in Russia, not just "someone forgot to pay their renewal".

Anyway, if you don't want to use ENS because they don't transfer the domain NFTs indefinitely, you might be interested on foreverdomains.io

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by yieldcrv »

pbronez wrote: post #233
rglullis wrote: post #228

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> losing ability to log into sites and services is what really scares me about losing my email. That is also not a problem. Maybe current "login with web3" implementations rely only on your primary ENS record for authentication, but there is nothing stopping a MFA system where the ENS name is only one of the factors. E.g: you could build a system that uses ENS as the first factor and a regular PGP client cert as the…

Can you point me to a blog post that explains how to use web3 name assignment technologies, in combination with MFA, to own and manage a domain that is robust to DNS provider shenanigans, crypto hacks I can’t anticipate or understand, and targeted harassment? This is a genuine question. I’m in the market for new tools to manage my personal and business domains.

not a direct answer, I think way to design this system would be to make an ENS (with a competing resolver technology) and point that to IPFS hashes

in parallel, you would also look into how to secure your address, where the ENS is stored in

IPFS doesn't offer compute nodes and databases, so you would design your web offering around not needing that, completely rule out that idea in favor of a different one, or incorporate a different solution in addition to your frontend

but basically the way you design web 3 applications is not the same as web 2 applications to begin with. trying to straddle both worlds results in the worse experience. most similarities I can think of are kind of like omnivores trying substitute tofu based foods and having a bad experience, and attributing that experience to non-meat diets when it is just worse than a pescatarian, vegan and vegetarian cuisine.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by justsomehnguy »

stavros wrote: post #92
justsomehnguy wrote: post #87

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Buy Fastmail account (seriously, they should pay us money for advertising them so much). In your DNS/registrar settings add Fastmail as a secondary MX, disable DKIM and SPF. Customize it for your needs (necessary mailboxes/addresses/identities etc). Switch over primary MX to FM (maybe keeping G as a secondary for a week). Somewhat optional, but requires some effort - make G send any incoming email to some address not…

> Buy Fastmail account (seriously, they should pay us money for advertising them so much). They do pay us money, that's what the referral fee is.

I know (and I even had one) but that's for users who actually bothered to use a referral, not for ones who saw so much adver^W mentions and just got an account.

I was being a bit sarcastic there, though. If anything, new clients => company receives money to stay afloat.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by yieldcrv »

yieldcrv wrote: post #384
pbronez wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point me to a blog post that explains how to use web3 name assignment technologies, in combination with MFA, to own and manage a domain that is robust to DNS provider shenanigans, crypto hacks I can’t anticipate or understand, and targeted harassment? This is a genuine question. I’m in the market for new tools to manage my personal and business domains.

not a direct answer, I think way to design this system would be to make an ENS (with a competing resolver technology) and point that to IPFS hashes in parallel, you would also look into how to secure your address, where the ENS is stored in IPFS doesn't offer compute nodes and databases, so you would design your web offering around not needing that, completely rule out that idea in favor of a different one, or incorp…

(^or^ with a competing resolver technology)

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by v3v3 »

tryptophan wrote: post #300
Brajeshwar wrote: post #49

I think this is everywhere. In India, people in the departments, especially the Governments usually ask, "What is your Gmail?" Almost everyone uses Gmail here and it is extremely rare to find their own custom domain. I'm actually surprised that the Government Departments do not have a service that takes care of these! They will fine Google but almost all of the government email IDs are Gmail. I was one of those that…

I find it utterly astounding that not a single government has started an email service yet for its citizens, with all the legal protections of actual mail and such. They wouldn't even need to run it, just create a legal category like "This account is officially registered to X and serves as a legal email account" that companies can apply for if they meet some standards.

Sweden has "Min myndighetspost".

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by joshspankit »

rglullis wrote: post #372
joshspankit wrote: post #368

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I’m not the OP, but I think there is a very real concern that a single person or single group of people who create the “new better system” can significantly drain the resources of everyone else. We actively see this all the time on smaller scales (credit cards, global franchises, FAANG), but the idea of someone doing it at a larger scale should make us hesitate.

Oh, where do I begin? - You do realize that the comment was tongue-in-cheek? - There is no "resource draining" here. Even if someone found a way to solve the problem of distributed consensus without using a blockchain and found a way to make money out of it, they would be rich by wealth creation : new products, new services, new business.

> You do realize that the comment was tongue-in-cheek?

Why would I? It's well-established that tone does not come across through text.

> There is no "resource draining" here. Even if someone found a way to solve the problem of distributed consensus without using a blockchain and found a way to make money out of it, they would be rich by wealth creation: new products, new services, new business.

While I see what you're saying, I don't think I properly explained my point as yours is not a counter to it. By "resource draining" I mean that overall the creators could get richer compared to everyone else. Even if they took say $0.01 from every transaction those pennies slowly add up. A dollar 'spent' by changing hands 10 times is actually $0.90. A dollar 'spent' 100 times has been effectively drained of all it's value with that value funnelled to the hands of those running the system. In a scenario like that, wealth creation as you've defined it actually pours fuel on the fire. Every business uses a huge amount of transactions to pay operational costs, and all of their customers generate transactions every time they pay.

We currently have this playing out in various ways (for example franchise markups) and even though it's so highly fragmented it's still an issue where wealth is concentrating at the top. So it follows that if the rich get richer, the rest must get less rich by comparison.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Post by immibis »

rglullis wrote: post #351
immibis wrote: post #348

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But then it's just a government database. Might as well just use a government database - much simpler.

For underlying security, of course. The point is that the ability to also tokenize a real physical asset opens a world of possibilities. Can you take a collaterized loan on a share of your home from anyone in the world , if you have only the government database? Can we have a "decentralized AirBnB" where you have can the NFT represents who have access to the house with "just a government database"? Can you pool the r…

Yes. Just fill out a form selling your house to Tokenized Blockchain Corp. and have Tokenized Blockchain Corp. manage it based on the blockchain.
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