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Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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"The problem is you can lose access to your emails at any time." "Use web3 - then when you lose access to all your emails it's the system working as intended!"

when you get to the System Design interview, they'll be expecting a different model of application than your design written here

I don't think I'm going to want the job where "use web3" is an acceptable element of my system design.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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“Permission to fail” is a desirable property in a research setting, not a global name service. This justification is in tension with the one offered above, and there’s been no evidence so far that “web3” is becoming more resilient instead of less resilient.

Not all products are suited for all market participants. Figure out where you are on the gradient and act accordingly. Ethereum Name Service was launched in May 2017, there are many name service competitors. > and there’s been no evidence so far that “web3” is becoming more resilient instead of less resilient. based on? some frequency of a type of headline you saw? quantified against..... anything?

This is a cop-out: of course there are people with absurd risk or reliability profiles, for whom just about anything might be suitable. The entire point of systems like DNS are that they’re universal substrates that don’t require any exceptional selection. Economies and ecosystems are built on reliable and universal substrates.

My perception of resiliency is based on this[1], which has reliably increased in volume and quantity by year.

[1]: https://web3isgoinggreat.com/

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #210

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- Ethereum has no "owners". ENS is fully decentralized. There is no "they" to fork anything. - There is no need to have exchanges involved in that. - ENS has a token, but is not required for people who just want to buy a domain (they use ETH) Quit the senseless FUD

> There is no "they" to fork anything. They literally forked it just last month!

Who is "they" here?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #47

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"Online gatherings" as in 1:M live streams, or "online gatherings" as in "pack everyone into a WebRTC room and hope it holds"? Because Twitch and YouTube do the former and I don't see anything in BBB that natively emits HLS or DASH. I see plugins that will talk to an RTMP server, but that leaves a very long row to hoe. 1:M live streaming is very, very difficult to get right--it's is why video providers can charge so…

Its not really the streaming persay its this is TV broadcast tech running over IP. Its a networking problem, not a software issue. You will have to change the format or be independently wealthy to compete, 1:M will always by nature be a matter of outsized resources on the transmit versus receive side.

Not to be pedantic but because you have a good point, and I would want to know if it were me: persay should be per se.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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> Ethereum has no "owners". ENS is fully decentralized. There is no "they" to fork anything. I think “They” once forked Ethereum to prevent DAO losses.

No. The "They" that did the fork only managed to do it because there was a majority consensus agreement to switch to the forked chain. If the majority refused to follow, there forked chain would have died or become a thing for the minority. Just like EthPOW vs ETH POS. Seriously, why is it that every discussion about crypto has the same bullshit talking points? Do you guys have a list of "standard basic list of BS ar…

> The "They" that did the fork only managed to do it because there was a majority consensus agreement to switch to the forked chain.

A majority you may not agree with. So you’re still at the mercy of external entities, contradicting your original point.

> Seriously, why is it that every discussion about crypto has the same bullshit talking points?

Because proponents keep repeating the same debunked invalid talking points. Like saying anything they disagree with is FUD. That expression has become the Godwin’s law of blockchain discussions: it doesn’t advance the conversation, it’s just shorthand for “I angrily disagree with you”.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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I would still 100% go with Gmail. I avoid 15 years of headaches and cost and only have to spend a few days of work transferring emails to a new provider? Sign me up.

Not to mention, it seems Gmail is the overwhelming choice for pretty much everyone; over 75% of users on my service have a Gmail email. If Google did actually sunset Gmail I’m sure every website would implement an email change system pretty quick to make sure their own users aren’t left out on in the cold, unable to log in post-shutdown.

I think even further than that, governments would just subsidize it.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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> It's the only system where you are not at the mercy of some external entity to be always benevolent. Until the owners of the network run away after extracting all the value they can, or they decide to fork it because it’s in their best interest, or they end it because it’s not as profitable as they wanted, or your exchange decides to halt trading so they don’t lose money, or, or, or.

- Ethereum has no "owners". ENS is fully decentralized. There is no "they" to fork anything. - There is no need to have exchanges involved in that. - ENS has a token, but is not required for people who just want to buy a domain (they use ETH) Quit the senseless FUD

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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That is the kind of tired, cheap, wrong argument that it so easily debunked, but "skeptics" still keep using. Let me see if you really interested in a healthy debate or just proud of your ignorance: do you know that when using web3 for domains , you'd still be running the email servers that use the traditional protocols? You won't be losing any of your messages. You'd still be authenticating against a traditional ser…

You're right, you won't lose access to your emails, you'll lose access to your address, which really is the bit that I care more about - losing ability to log into sites and services is what really scares me about losing my email. But now the important question - how does a web3 domain name solve the domain problem any better than just buying a domain, especially considering that "Permission to fail" is being touted…

> losing ability to log into sites and services is what really scares me about losing my email.

That is also not a problem. Maybe current "login with web3" implementations rely only on your primary ENS record for authentication, but there is nothing stopping a MFA system where the ENS name is only one of the factors.

E.g: you could build a system that uses ENS as the first factor and a regular PGP client cert as the second. There are also "social recovery" systems. Even if you lose your keys, you can have a secondary address that can vouch for you.

IOW, stop arguing like you are the only one aware of the current limitations and that the thousands of people working on the space are just stupid. Before spewing ignorant arguments, you should learn a thing or two .

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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What made me switch from Gmail is stories of people losing their entire account overnight with no possible appeal process due to an algorithm deciding there was suspicious activity.

Do you happen to have any actual cases you can point me to? I see this all the time in HN but it's never beyond "a buddy of mine said that he didn't do anything wrong and somehow they got locked out forever with no recourse". Or it's someone saying that happened to themselves, and then they say they never did anything bad with their gmail. Which may or may not be true?

One good case I can think of is Crinacle. Very popular for his audio measurements site and does YouTube.

His Google account got flagged for something suspicious, Google had it shut down and without good explanations. He can't even get help through YouTube support and while the old channel remains, the Google account behind it appears disabled today. The only choice he had was to file a request that lead to nowhere and he basically had to start with a new account and channel.

He explained his experience about it in this video here: https://youtu.be/Jn1b3DztWnc?t=83

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #162

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My register doesn’t allow registrations longer than 1 year. Their reason: “ We've found that longer registration periods lead to a higher chance of customers losing or forgetting their account details or missing notifications and ultimately letting their domains expire due to outdated contact information or expired credit card details.” I’m wondering whether that’s valid and if I should find a new registrar…

> My register doesn’t allow registrations longer than 1 year. Ummm.. then maybe get a better registar? It's not like there aren't many to choose from.

I think you missed the last part of my comment.
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