Combine with propranolol for maximum effect. A very overlooked drug that can be used in the treatment of many disorders related to anxiety, stress and fear. Without the risk of debiliating addiction benzos and benzolikes bring. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14573324/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3692719/
Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone
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Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone
#32Why is stress after trauma a 'disorder'? And how is it a solution to drug people up, making them forget this?
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#33Why is stress after trauma a 'disorder'? And how is it a solution to drug people up, making them forget this?
How is it a solution? If giving people a drug reduces disorders and that benefit outweighs the cost, then it’s generally considered a good idea.
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#34Why is stress after trauma a 'disorder'? And how is it a solution to drug people up, making them forget this?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess my skepticism of this is a bit unpopular - but the way they measured intrusive thoughts is whether or not the people mentioned the traumatic film they saw in a journal for a week. It seems plausible to that thinking (even if involuntary) about any other traumatic memory may result in short term stress but in the long run help you process it and be healthy? Like in my own experience thinking about something a…
> I guess my skepticism of this is a bit unpopular - but the way they measured intrusive thoughts is whether or not the people mentioned the traumatic film they saw in a journal for a week. That's a fair criticism. Doing research on real PTSD is tough -- everyone's experience is a little different, and is colored by their personal history -- and it'd be wildly unethical to put test subjects through an in-person exper…
I guess maybe the core of my confusion comes with the term "intrusive" or "involuntary" memory. To me, in reference to PTSD, this sounds extremely negative. But perhaps you were in a situation where you saw someone die, perhaps even someone you know, should the goal be to only think about these things in therapy or when you sit down to meditate? Is involuntary/intrusive thoughts on these bad so long as it doesnt have major effects on your stability?
Not nearly as traumatic - but when I went through my last break-up I thought about it non-stop for a few weeks. I was able to get through my work and keep up social engagements fine, but otherwise it consumed me. Would it have been better to only think about the situation in therapy sessions and allotted meditation time? Maybe? But I'm not that sure on that I probably needed a few weeks of internal "involuntary" struggle in order to be free of the negative thoughts around it going forward.
I guess for me the answer is that if your brain is thinking about something, even if it seems a bit disorganized, you are still processing it on your own time and the short term benefits of not thinking about it then may not actually be good for your long term. Though perhaps this runs counter to established literature I'm not aware of.
Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone
#36Combine with propranolol for maximum effect. A very overlooked drug that can be used in the treatment of many disorders related to anxiety, stress and fear. Without the risk of debiliating addiction benzos and benzolikes bring. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14573324/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3692719/
And, for a nonpharmaceutical intervention -- have them play a bit of Tetris. https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/tetris-used-to-prevent-post-... I can confirm from personal experience that this works, and that it isn't specific to Tetris. Other visual/spatial puzzles are similarly effective.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
What they are reffering to as "intrusions" is not just having thoughts about the traumatic event, it is having intrusive and uncontrolable toughts pop into your mind when triggered - it's very disrupting and distracting. Depending on the level of trauma, these intrusions can be debilitating. In general, PTSD treatment involves changing one's perspective towards the traumatic event so that when triggered, the thoughts…
I realize I am being downvoted so perhaps this is settled in literature. I know PTSD can be traumatic and takes different forms I suppose my confusion still comes from the fact that stopping intrusive thoughts is measured as good. But what if these intrusive facts are needed (just like therapy) to process things in the long run? I would understand if someone could ran a (very costly) experiment that said "Taking this…
If the patient is not sufficiently able to choose due to being mentally unable and the drug is likely to bring them back to lucidity, then it is obvious that bringing them into a lucid state is the logical path, so we should recommend administering the drug.
For my part, I've noticed that people who dwell on these traumas have a hard time. Meanwhile I've suffered numerous things that many of these people claim have led to debilitating mental illness and I operate in a space of mental comfort. So, should I encounter another trauma event, I'll take the forgetting drug.
And presumably you, believing otherwise, should refuse it.
P.S. Here's a thought experiment for you: What if the MMR-2 vaccine instantaneously kills people at the age of 60. It was introduced in 1963 and this year is 2022, so the first recipients are not yet 60. So you simply cannot prove that it does not do this. You have a son. How do you reason whether to risk the possibility of instantaneously killing your son when he hits 60 vs the risk of him contracting any of Measles, Mumps, or Rubella?
Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone
#38Why is stress after trauma a 'disorder'? And how is it a solution to drug people up, making them forget this?
A long time ago my wife shattered her wrist. In the ER, they explained that they needed to reset it so it could be put in a splint before surgery could be scheduled. They weren't going to use anesthetic. She would be conscious of the pain as they moved her wrist into position, but they'd give her something so she wouldn't remember the experience. 15+ years later she remembers telling them to go ahead and do it, then…
Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone
#39Combine with propranolol for maximum effect. A very overlooked drug that can be used in the treatment of many disorders related to anxiety, stress and fear. Without the risk of debiliating addiction benzos and benzolikes bring. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14573324/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3692719/
Yeah, I've been on beta blockers for a heart defect for several years now. I read this paper about a year after going on them and just started exploring trauma on my own (stuff that made me weep or even pull face muscles in grief) the post sleep memory reconsolidation is basically a miracle and my emotional trauma responses were basically wrapped up within ~ 1 year. There is now nothing so awful I cannot touch, hold…
My mom has severe PTSD that is causing memory and cognitive decline because all her resources are dedicated to fight or flight. She is just a ball of the most significant stress you can imagine and it’s destroying her.
Have any recommendations or suggestions?
Re: Accelerated forgetting of a trauma event after a single dose of hydrocortisone
#40Isn't there a similar study where playing Tetris helped people recover faster?
Paper: - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5678449/ Press coverage: - https://www.google.com/search?q=intitle:tetris+traumatic+mem... HN posts: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
"In short, there is no convincing evidence that playing Tetris actually helps people. The studies have methodological problems, tiny sample sizes, and have failed to replicate. Some found a reduction in “intrusive memories,” but no improvement in outcomes of PTSD or distress."
https://www.madinamerica.com/2021/10/tetris-trauma-viral-twi...