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If you take away my creativity and ability to learn, you may as well just kill me. That sounds like a recipe for depression in itself.
You're depressed, which has already destroyed your creativity and ability to learn. Nothing has worked. Your option is to ECT, which may help, or have adverse side effects. Would you try it? If you've not got much to lose, why not? It's not as if suicide is suddenly no longer an option afterwards.
Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
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Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#142In 200 years, people will study this as a crazy tale from the dark ages. The worst thing for depressed people has been the idea that it's a random/genetic phenomenon as opposed to ecological misalignment with their biospirit.
Tell that to people born with genetic issues leading to increased serotonin transporter density which creates chronic depression in many. Learn some neuroscience.
Here's an analogy: If I took Nordic people and gradually shrank the architecture, chairs, and desks around them across a few generations, such that most would have to unnatural bowing of the head and curvature of the spine, they would experience enormous agony - back pains, neck pains, etc (like "depression"). They would even correctly identify that they are suffering due to a genetically inherited length of their skeleton. Now imagine that in such a world, the "medical solution" is to remove a couple of vertebrae to make them shorter or take some pills that anesthetize the neck muscles. Let's even say all that happens without side effects. Many a patient would be happy for the agony to go away.
And yet, I still think this is completely the wrong approach. I have deep compassion for depressed people. I believe they should be very careful trusting a system that "shrunk the architecture" so to speak and offers a form of brain chemistry interference as a "solution".
In my opinion, depressed people should attempt to remember that it is almost mathematically impossible that they are the descendants of dozens of generations of depressed adults. They would be far better served, in my opinion, to try to recall and recreate the ancestral adaptive environment (the bigger chairs and taller ceilings).
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#143After dealing with depression myself, I dove deeply into this world, and actually ended up founding a ketamine and esketamine treatment startup in the Boston area (lumin.health). We've seen pretty amazing results with patients who have otherwise failed antidepressants and/or ECT and TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation). The reality is that ketamine/esketamine are much more accessible from a patient perspective, an…
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#144aren't the side effects of ECT quite severe though? "loss of creativity, drive and energy. difficulty concentrating. loss of emotional responses. difficulty learning new information."
Do you have a citation for that list, preferably that also has includes how common each side effect it?
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#145After dealing with depression myself, I dove deeply into this world, and actually ended up founding a ketamine and esketamine treatment startup in the Boston area (lumin.health). We've seen pretty amazing results with patients who have otherwise failed antidepressants and/or ECT and TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation). The reality is that ketamine/esketamine are much more accessible from a patient perspective, an…
Thank you. Any help for insomnia or overeating?
https://hubermanlab.com/sleep-toolkit-tools-for-optimizing-s...
There are so many small things you can do, and they get summarised here. Drugs are just one dimension.
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you. Any help for insomnia or overeating?
Insomnia: Have you heard Andrew Huberman’s podcast episode on sleep? https://hubermanlab.com/sleep-toolkit-tools-for-optimizing-s... There are so many small things you can do, and they get summarised here. Drugs are just one dimension.
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you take away my creativity and ability to learn, you may as well just kill me. That sounds like a recipe for depression in itself.
You're depressed, which has already destroyed your creativity and ability to learn. Nothing has worked. Your option is to ECT, which may help, or have adverse side effects. Would you try it? If you've not got much to lose, why not? It's not as if suicide is suddenly no longer an option afterwards.
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
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#149Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're depressed, which has already destroyed your creativity and ability to learn. Nothing has worked. Your option is to ECT, which may help, or have adverse side effects. Would you try it? If you've not got much to lose, why not? It's not as if suicide is suddenly no longer an option afterwards.
Possibly, as an absolute last resort. Not before. It's very unlikely, and at that point it being "more effective" than ketamine is barely germane, since I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel anyway.