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Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

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Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

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Post by arcticbull »

Waterluvian wrote: post #7
stevenalowe wrote: post #3

“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.

Without more information on likeliness, permanence, and magnitude, both sets of symptoms sound potentially intolerable.

People do ketamine recreationally; the symptoms really aren't intolerably bad, I'm led to believe.

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Post by [deleted] »

Waterluvian wrote: post #7
stevenalowe wrote: post #3

“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.

Without more information on likeliness, permanence, and magnitude, both sets of symptoms sound potentially intolerable.

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Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

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Post by denzilla8080 »

stevenalowe wrote: post #3

“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.

The headaches and muscle pain are temporary. But the memory loss is severe and while not truly hindering, definitely life altering. Years are just blurred together. Some things and people just aren’t there and it’s really hard for me to remember on my own. It more changes the relationship you have with your memory.

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

Waterluvian wrote: post #7
stevenalowe wrote: post #3

“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.

Without more information on likeliness, permanence, and magnitude, both sets of symptoms sound potentially intolerable.

Anecdotal reports from recreational use (higher doses than medical) are that the dissociation, vertigo, and double vision only happen while you’re high, not after it wears off.

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Post by [deleted] »

Waterluvian wrote: post #7
stevenalowe wrote: post #3

“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.

Without more information on likeliness, permanence, and magnitude, both sets of symptoms sound potentially intolerable.

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Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

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Post by JamesBarney »

Waterluvian wrote: post #7
stevenalowe wrote: post #3

“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.

Without more information on likeliness, permanence, and magnitude, both sets of symptoms sound potentially intolerable.

By the time you get to ECT for depression you've tried else for your more intolerable depression.

Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

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Post by larryliu »

Ketamine is a prescription medicine that can be taken oral, intranasal or IV drip.

ECT is an inpatient procedure that need one anesthesiologist and one psychiatrist plus nurses to administer, two to three times weekly for three to four weeks.

Who pays for the healthcare, definitely want to try the former and use the latter only if the former works poorly.

Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

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Post by leetrout »

stevenalowe wrote: post #3

“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.

In my experience ketamine makes early memories very vivid and makes things easier to recall.

I definitely prefer that over losing memories but I have not tried ECT.

Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

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Post by andrewflnr »

warrenmiller wrote: post #4

aren't the side effects of ECT quite severe though? "loss of creativity, drive and energy. difficulty concentrating. loss of emotional responses. difficulty learning new information."

If you take away my creativity and ability to learn, you may as well just kill me. That sounds like a recipe for depression in itself.

Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

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Post by rubatuga »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #5

> All five of the studies independently found that ECT was more effective than ketamine at relieving *severe* depression symptoms. A keyword was left from the title / headline.

Definitely a key factor since most psychiatrists reserve ECT for severe depression.
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