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Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #89

Unencrypted email is not private, never has been, never will be. The real problem is handing over your digital identity to Google, not the content of emails.

Nowdays, even unencrypted email can be private, thanks to opportunistic encryption.

Not when you're using Gmail of course.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#102
post #6
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>police warrant-less access to Ring cameras... and then stream their online gatherings live on Twitch Streaming a public event on twitch vs on-demand warrentless police access to on-prem cameras? Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets.

>Am I missing something or are these two things not just not in the neighborhood, they are on different planets. Amazon owns Twitch. I think OP is highlighting that the EFF speaks out against Amazon's privacy practices while simultaneously supporting Amazon financially. Edit: "I think..."

You can be against something and still find yourself having to use things you complain about.

Folks still eat food even though they are aghast at how farm workers are exploited in the world.

You can support robust public transportation yet drive a car due to poor-to-no public transit.

Sometimes, facebook is the best place to organize demonstrations against facebook.

Just because you have complaints about the world doesn't mean that you don't live in it and need to use it as designed. If you don't, how else do you expect to change it?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#103
post #9

For me, owning my own email domain is far more about control than privacy. I currently use some MX and SMTP trickery to forward all of my email to Gmail, effectively using Gmail as my 'email client' - but because the domain is mine, I can change that without too much headache, unlike if I were just using an @gmail.com address.

To register a domain, you must provide an existing email address (not at that domain, of course). True story: I registered a domain with email from openmailbox.org. That email provider has closed, and my domain went puff with it.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#104
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People from the UK that had an .eu domain were unable to renew it after brexit.

Is this really a thing? I had a .eu domain for years. I only let it go this year(it was on annual renewal) . My registered address was and is still in UK and I never had any trouble from my registrar(eurodns) about the EU domain. Or do they do it based on the payment method? (I might have used an EU cc to renew)?

Apparently it is true:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/registering-and-renewing-eu-doma...

It seems .eu domains are more or less only available to people who live in the EU/EEA, hold EU/EEA citizenship or businesses that conduct business in the region.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#105
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anybody can read my email, it's cleartext after all. ISP, registar, etc. I pay for my email as part of my yearly domain fee: 2 domains (personal and self employed work), 2 registars. I download them over POP3, store them locally in Thunderbird, backup them locally (encrypted disk) and remotely (duplicity, can't even remember, too early in the morning.) This protects me against some attacks, not against everything. Th…

How your registrar can read your email?

The registrar could only read email if they also accept mail for the domain in question.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#106

Is the fact that the sender and receiver of an email both have a copy surprising? IIRC, no emails from Hillary Clinton's server, for example, were ever leaked from the server, but the public saw them because one of her regular correspondents had his email compromised.

That we know of. If I remember, she hired some random 3rd party company from Denver to manager her servers. They of course didn't have any kind of security clearance.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#107
post #84

The discussion around email continues to come up time and time again. It yields significant power, it's your online identity effectively, used to access, communicate and unlock everything. We all have some level of discomfort with someone else owning the infrastructure for this having seen what happens if you get locked out. What is the answer? Is it really self hosting? Such a subpar experience. Consumers can't be e…

> Costs more but no one can kick you out unless you stop paying your mortgage.

that. depends. You can host it cheaply if shared with family members, may be cheaper than paying for email provider.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#108

The popularity of ChromeOS in US schools means millions of kids require Gmail accounts (since ChromeOS requires sign-in the OS to full use). It's probably true to say that almost every school kid in the US has been captured by Google's embrace. The 'tech community' have little to say on the matter. In fact, developers are more likely to defend Google rather than question unprecedented levels of data collection.

The issue is that there are no proper replacements for Gmail. Too many people (whether opensource fellows or privacy or both) suggest do not use it but there are NO good answers. One cannot expect a local shop or university to host email services 24x7 AND provide world-class security. This is like excel/word/ppt becoming a default file format and use of MS office. Sure libreoffice works but when everyone is using MS products - one has no chance but to use MS.

hn always loves fastmail but I bet they cant run a billion logins.

No local govt or company has the employees to manage such good features.

(Example; I tried once to use apple email, calendar for 20 people. Too many sync problems. When asked in Apple forums they often told me Apple infra is designed for families and not for 20 people)

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#109

The popularity of ChromeOS in US schools means millions of kids require Gmail accounts (since ChromeOS requires sign-in the OS to full use). It's probably true to say that almost every school kid in the US has been captured by Google's embrace. The 'tech community' have little to say on the matter. In fact, developers are more likely to defend Google rather than question unprecedented levels of data collection.

A lot of schools use variants of Microsoft 365 as well. Not any better.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

#110
post #26

Having your own email/domain isn’t about privacy. Email has become essentially the key to almost everything in modern life. If I lose access to my email I lose access to basically everything I own and it would be a massive hassle to switch emails. Banks, schools, apps, etc. Often times these services won’t even let you change to a new email if you don’t have access to an existing one. Some use email as 2factor. It’s…

Is it known that domain registrars are better than GMail in this regard? Not asking sarcastically, but I had my domain taken over by registrar(not released to public, just registrar took control of it) after few week of notice when auto renew failed to charge my credit card, and my credit card was working fine elsewhere. Also many registrar like Namecheap cancelled subscription for Russian customers during this invas…

Both are risky, but at least you can decouple your address from your storage.

If something happens to your gmail, you lose both your address and your storage at once.

If it is your domain, you presumably still have access to your host (which may just be gmail). And if you lose access to your host, at least you can still redirect your domain somewhere else.

Nothing is foolproof, but you can split one large dependency into two smaller dependencies.

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