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Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by devoutsalsa »

angst_ridden wrote: post #65

There's a firm in Southern California that's suing restaurants / small theaters / community organizations / etc after bulk-scanning web sites for embedded video that lack links to caption files. It's all ADA abuse, lawsuits in the $5k-$7k range. A huge percentage of those sued don't have the means to fight back, and settle. The company that's suing people had some incompetent coder write their scanner, so it only par…

Reminds me of an SF attorney who teams with a guy in a wheelchair to sue locations that don’t have ADA compliant facilities.

“Wheelchairs of Fortune”

https://web.archive.org/web/20220209194711/https://archives....

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by Adrox »

roenxi wrote: post #333
yucky wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think it's weird that people expect random website owners with limited resources not to be held to the same accessibility standards as multi-billion dollar manufactures? Why?

Because that would be treating the value of an individual as dependent on the power of the entity they are interacting with, which is a bit weird. It isn't really a defensible position to say that you have an interaction with someone and to work out how they ought behave you need to go and do a tally of their assets and mull over their balance sheets. It'd be tantamount to saying we'd need to know what Haim Michael's…

There is dozens of laws in EU that only apply for companies with more than 100 employees, or X in revenue:

- Mandatory canteens.

- Mandatory retirement savings plan.

- Break rooms (in Sweden my company had a nap room that had to have a locked door from inside).

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by ok_dad »

themitigating wrote: post #315
jtsuken wrote: post #270

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> you're all drawing a distinction that I don't see? The distinction you are not seeing is between actual harm and a pretext for lawyers to sue. Actual harm to the environment and real business profits result from manufacturers producing and selling proprietary charing devices (I bought at least 3 and disposed of at least 2 Apple magsafe2 chargers, while having perfectly working generic chargers around my home). An i…

The developer is causing harm to those who want to access it but can't and he's making money by not making it accessible. As for harming the environment, that's unrelated

And now no one can use it. Perhaps there’s a way to provide access to those who need it but not sue a person for making a hobby site?

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by Linosaurus »

roenxi wrote: post #254
angst_ridden wrote: post #65

There's a firm in Southern California that's suing restaurants / small theaters / community organizations / etc after bulk-scanning web sites for embedded video that lack links to caption files. It's all ADA abuse, lawsuits in the $5k-$7k range. A huge percentage of those sued don't have the means to fight back, and settle. The company that's suing people had some incompetent coder write their scanner, so it only par…

> It's all ADA abuse... The HN gestalt confuses me on this one. The other week the EU had that charger standardisation law and the mood on HN was undeniably positive. Now we have a comment that Californian web accessibility laws are being enforced and the top voted comment is decidedly negative. These laws are remarkably similar in intent and likely outcome. What is different here? Is it the same people but you're al…

> different people and a US vs EU thing?

Both.

The EU people are large companies that can afford the legal costs, and capable of either changing charger or not.

The US people are small business that can often not afford the legal costs (ie settle wether guilty or not), and completely following the law is almost impossible if a manual mistake on a single video opens liability.

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

slyall wrote: post #277
camillomiller wrote: post #265

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Currently in Germany there’s a wave of lawyers letters making the rounds. They claim a website violates the privacy of some dummy client when they accessed the website and their IP was transmitted to Google’s servers to download Google Fonts from the cloud. I’ve been putting in some extra hours this week to help scared clients localize their Google Fonts. The wave started after an half-assed sentence from a court in…

I have a small website that happens to be hosted in Germany since a German company donated a server. We had to add an "Impressum" with our contact details to make sure we didn't get hit with a letter demanding money from one of the law firms that specialise in shaking down sites that are missing them.

So what could happen, in practical terms?

If you are not located in Germany and do not have business there (I mean monetary business, one you can draw money from) then good luck for them trying to get something from you.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by tluyben2 »

weatherlight wrote: post #365
tluyben2 wrote: post #357

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It doesn’t sound like OP is a business though. Small or otherwise.

Just click on the link, OP isn't being honest. He has a services tab, in which he sells his services via the site that his videos are on and the entire right side of the site is ads! His about section: My name is Haim Michael, I am an eternal student and a lecturer. I chose to start running this web site to serve as my professional personal blog. Through this blog, I plan to provide more information about the service…

Ah I did not see that; so if he made less than 100k NS he could ignore the threats? So he is admitting by this he makes more and/or is registered as a small business?

But thank you, this is insightful.

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

bmacho wrote: post #319
camillomiller wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently in Germany there’s a wave of lawyers letters making the rounds. They claim a website violates the privacy of some dummy client when they accessed the website and their IP was transmitted to Google’s servers to download Google Fonts from the cloud. I’ve been putting in some extra hours this week to help scared clients localize their Google Fonts. The wave started after an half-assed sentence from a court in…

Just put it in your GDPR disclaimer that you send all of your users online time, location, interest, activity on the site, and unique identifiers to attach these data with other data to a foreign countries company for no actual reason; and if they don't want that they cannot do anything about it, and you are fine. Also the GDPR law is only 6 years old I think if you say you've never heard of it, you can get away with…

>Also the GDPR law is only 6 years old I think if you say you've never heard of it, you can get away with that.

"I'm sorry Officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that."

https://youtu.be/FclScfPoKes?t=595

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Post by parkingrift »

Spivak wrote: post #193
no_butterscotch wrote: post #150

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There was a disabled guy in the Bay Area going around suing all sorts of restaurants and other places if they didn't have ramps. Small hole in the wall restaurants couldn't afford renovations and had to just close, resulting in more Mc-chain restaurants moving in that can afford to play ball. Disabled people need access, but I (perhaps controversially) don't think they need access to 100% of the things. I'm reminded…

I think the issue is that “the disabled don’t need access to everything” ends up with the abled deciding what the disabled deserve to access. How shitty a life having to utter something like, “sorry no, I haven’t tried the new ramen shop, the state legislature decided that restaurants weren’t essential enough to require wheelchair access and the front door is up some stairs.” It in no way excuses the frankly bullshit…

>I think the issue is that “the disabled don’t need access to everything” ends up with the abled deciding what the disabled deserve to access.

We’re talking about privately owned establishments. No one deserves to be able to go to these places. It’s a privilege to go, not a right. The disabled should have access to any public spaces, but extending that to private spaces is asinine.

Sorry no, I haven’t been to the ramen place, the state mandated they add a wheelchair ramp and they couldn’t afford it. Now it’s a Starbucks.

Who is actually winning here, again?

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Post by Schroedingersat »

camillomiller wrote: post #265
angst_ridden wrote: post #65

There's a firm in Southern California that's suing restaurants / small theaters / community organizations / etc after bulk-scanning web sites for embedded video that lack links to caption files. It's all ADA abuse, lawsuits in the $5k-$7k range. A huge percentage of those sued don't have the means to fight back, and settle. The company that's suing people had some incompetent coder write their scanner, so it only par…

Currently in Germany there’s a wave of lawyers letters making the rounds. They claim a website violates the privacy of some dummy client when they accessed the website and their IP was transmitted to Google’s servers to download Google Fonts from the cloud. I’ve been putting in some extra hours this week to help scared clients localize their Google Fonts. The wave started after an half-assed sentence from a court in…

...good? That's what google fonts is for.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by parkingrift »

ceejayoz wrote: post #53
josephcsible wrote: post #38

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The problem isn't that attorneys can profiteer. The problem is that if you spend a bunch of time and money to make available a public resource that you're not making any money off of, you shouldn't be forced to choose between spending way more money on it or taking it away from everyone.

> you shouldn't be forced to choose between spending way more money on it or taking it away from everyone... The unfortunate end result of that is certain segments of the population treated as second-class citizens.

Isn’t that already the case? If a restaurant has a wheelchair ramp, but I still can’t afford to eat there, have they discriminated against me? Where do you think my “rights to patronage” should start and stop?

Why arbitrarily stop at wheelchairs?

Ultimately, if society thinks disabled people deserve full access to all private establishments, society should pay for it. Raise taxes, and fund it.

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