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Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by Macha »

lamontcg wrote: post #288
drc500free wrote: post #165

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It's no different from not having curb cuts on your sidewalk. Culturally tech companies have gotten away with selling non-compliant products and websites, and feel like it's unacceptable to be required to follow regulations because everyone has level-set their expectations around not doing that. A competent regulatory scheme would have had the government enforcing this from the beginning, instead of depending on priv…

A curb cut on a sidewalk is a pretty well defined piece of civil engineering.

So are captions for video content?

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Post by themitigating »

tasuki wrote: post #247
themitigating wrote: post #180

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If you're handicapped you don't expect to be able to go hiking. However you do expect to be able to go to restaurants

Each and every restaurant? I agree we want the world to be fair. I recently went through a difficult situation, during which my partner was unable to visit restaurants, even if they were wheelchair accessible. Was that fair? What about people who can't financially afford going to a restaurant? Is it more fair to exclude someone on the basis of their financial situation rather than based on their physical disability?…

1. I said what you expect to be able to go to not what you'd like more

2. I don't know what your situation was so I don't know but I think your point was that the world isn't fair so why. We strive to do our best within reason. Just because not every situation is fair isn't an argument against making more situations unfair.

3. On poor people not being able go:

A.No restaurant could afford to pay for all the meals if they were required to cover the cost for any person who can't afford it.

B. Most people can afford to go to almost restaurant at least once in their life. When does it become unfair? 2 times a year, 5 a week.

C. How would you determine who could afford it? how would the restaurant verify it?

D. If I spend all my money gambling then want to eat is that fair? If no. How would you determine what a person spent and catalog what's acceptable

E. Come on, this like one of those "they deserved it" remarks from the "being selfish is now socially acceptable " right wing crowd.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by themitigating »

lamontcg wrote: post #285
roenxi wrote: post #254

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> It's all ADA abuse... The HN gestalt confuses me on this one. The other week the EU had that charger standardisation law and the mood on HN was undeniably positive. Now we have a comment that Californian web accessibility laws are being enforced and the top voted comment is decidedly negative. These laws are remarkably similar in intent and likely outcome. What is different here? Is it the same people but you're al…

"Accessibility" is an overly broad topic so you shouldn't expect any consistency. Charger standardization around USB-C really isn't that abusive or produces much if any regulatory capture, and it is pretty easy to understand what needs to be done. These disability laws hit every business with a website and there's no easy standard to show that websites are compliant, they are an example of regulatory capture since la…

If I was the parent I would have noted how people constantly claim most of the people here are libertarian.

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Post by knaekhoved »

mkr-hn wrote: post #224
knaekhoved wrote: post #91

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How about I should be able to do whatever I want with my content without some slimy lawyer or smarmy internet commenter giving me a hard time?

You might feel different when you're disabled.

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Post by themitigating »

jtsuken wrote: post #270
roenxi wrote: post #254

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> It's all ADA abuse... The HN gestalt confuses me on this one. The other week the EU had that charger standardisation law and the mood on HN was undeniably positive. Now we have a comment that Californian web accessibility laws are being enforced and the top voted comment is decidedly negative. These laws are remarkably similar in intent and likely outcome. What is different here? Is it the same people but you're al…

> you're all drawing a distinction that I don't see? The distinction you are not seeing is between actual harm and a pretext for lawyers to sue. Actual harm to the environment and real business profits result from manufacturers producing and selling proprietary charing devices (I bought at least 3 and disposed of at least 2 Apple magsafe2 chargers, while having perfectly working generic chargers around my home). An i…

The developer is causing harm to those who want to access it but can't and he's making money by not making it accessible.

As for harming the environment, that's unrelated

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Post by anonAndOn »

bell-cot wrote: post #251
themitigating wrote: post #180

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If you're handicapped you don't expect to be able to go hiking. However you do expect to be able to go to restaurants

If the restaurant merely rents, how responsible is it for the landlord's property being less than accessible? If the restaurant is in a Historic District, and the board/commission/whatever in charge of that is generally opposed to pro-accessibility changes - who (other than the lawyers) benefits when the restaurant ends up as a de-facto abandoned building? If my "handicap" is a severe peanut allergy, should I be able…

> should I be able to demand that every restaurant have a separate, peanut-free kitchen

Why stop there? There also needs to be a separate nut-free section of the restaurant for dining. Inaccessibility is frustrating but nuts are deadly!

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Post by datadata »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #287
tasuki wrote: post #247

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Each and every restaurant? I agree we want the world to be fair. I recently went through a difficult situation, during which my partner was unable to visit restaurants, even if they were wheelchair accessible. Was that fair? What about people who can't financially afford going to a restaurant? Is it more fair to exclude someone on the basis of their financial situation rather than based on their physical disability?…

Yes. Because if not each and every restaurant, who gets to pick and choose? If the restaurant owners, none. If the disabled, all. And there isn't really an in-between is there? So all is better than none. Are you arguing we shouldn't have such laws because they don't reach 100% of people? That's letting perfect be the enemy of good. > I recently went through a difficult situation, during which my partner was unable t…

You could do this: Restaurants would be eligible for a tax credit against earnings if they can show themselves to be accessible. The tax credit part would hopefully prevent abuse by businesses, and also make it so that only restaurants that are able to implement this efficiently would do it. Simply raise the tax credit until a sufficient number of restaurants take the carrot. You might have to do something to ensure sufficient geographic distribution.

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Post by bmacho »

camillomiller wrote: post #265
angst_ridden wrote: post #65

There's a firm in Southern California that's suing restaurants / small theaters / community organizations / etc after bulk-scanning web sites for embedded video that lack links to caption files. It's all ADA abuse, lawsuits in the $5k-$7k range. A huge percentage of those sued don't have the means to fight back, and settle. The company that's suing people had some incompetent coder write their scanner, so it only par…

Currently in Germany there’s a wave of lawyers letters making the rounds. They claim a website violates the privacy of some dummy client when they accessed the website and their IP was transmitted to Google’s servers to download Google Fonts from the cloud. I’ve been putting in some extra hours this week to help scared clients localize their Google Fonts. The wave started after an half-assed sentence from a court in…

Just put it in your GDPR disclaimer that you send all of your users online time, location, interest, activity on the site, and unique identifiers to attach these data with other data to a foreign countries company for no actual reason; and if they don't want that they cannot do anything about it, and you are fine. Also the GDPR law is only 6 years old I think if you say you've never heard of it, you can get away with that.

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Post by drdeca »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #138
drdeca wrote: post #115

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ok, not willing-and-able then.

Ah, so not-rich people ought to just accept that social change is only supposed to be driven by the rich, and stop passing laws and suing people. That's certainly one vision for society, but not one I like.

If you want to do it with a law, then the government should pay for it, not punish people for providing benefit to others.
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