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Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by lazyasciiart »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #34
twblalock wrote: post #26

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It’s boneheaded stuff like this that turned me against most accessibility laws in general. They sound like a good idea, but the implementations tend to make the perfect the enemy of the good and raise the barrier to entry too high for anyone who doesn’t have their own legal team.

There needs to be a system where accessibility issues can be raised and addressed without allowing attorneys to profiteer from the system.

Most countries do this through government enforcement of regulations through licensing, fees and fines. The US actively avoids this in favor of having private citizens enforce regulations through lawsuits.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by galangalalgol »

littlestymaar wrote: post #93
plussed_reader wrote: post #81

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"If it were wrong it would be illegal."

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This is essentially a legal protection money racket. People running a racket never leave you with nothing left to lose. Most obviously because they can't come back for more. But also because people with nothing left to lose will burn down al Capone's house and not care that they are about to be killed in some horrible way.

These legal rackets know if they hit you for something you can afford to pay and keep your business running, that you aren't likely to throw it all away for empty vengeance. Cameras are everywhere now.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by bombcar »

BoorishBears wrote: post #100
throwaway4837 wrote: post #58

This is like saying you can't post a poster on a bulletin board if it doesn't follow a specific format. These laws make no sense and are a perfect example of out-of-touch policy. It should be my prerogative as to whether or not I care about the disabled market. I _should_ care if I'm a good person, but it shouldn't prevent me from being able to serve other markets.

One Saturday morning 3 months ago I got on my bike like I had the week before, and the week before that. Less than 30 minutes later I was splayed out on the ground with my lower right leg broken clean in half and my tibia sticking out of my shin while an onlookers called me an ambulance. For 2 months afterwards I was confined to wheelchairs and walkers, and I only just recently was able to start walking independently…

There's a vast difference between "businesses should have wheelchair ramps and accessible bathrooms" and "everything possible must be done for the disabled and borne by the people providing it".

The US ADA has struck a pretty decent balance, few people are actively against wheelchair ramps, and elevators do add to the cost of a building but most buildings of that size are moderately expensive anyway.

But imagine if it was determined that the ADA required wheelchair ramps be installed at any house that was offering candy for trick-or-treating. The result would be entirely predictable; trick-or-treating would die out.

Much of this (and perhaps this case here) could be solved by forbidding the lawyers from profiting from it - you can sue someone for violating the ADA but you can't "win damages" - any such damages won would go to the state to help provide ADA accessibility.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by angst_ridden »

tehwebguy wrote: post #121
littlestymaar wrote: post #93

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> companies doing that Doing which, making services unavailable to disabled people or suing those that do? I mean if my health insurer, for example, couldn't accommodate a disability of mine, especially something as common as low vision or hearing, I'd certainly feel like getting revenge but doesn't everyone feel that way about every health insurer every year or two? If you meant the other way around, like if someone…

I believe in making things accessible, and strive to do that on all my projects.

I object to abuse of the ADA. Businesses / organizations should be given an opportunity to remediate their web sites before an automated script files an erroneous lawsuit.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by pc86 »

knaekhoved wrote: post #90
BitwiseFool wrote: post #34

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There needs to be a system where accessibility issues can be raised and addressed without allowing attorneys to profiteer from the system.

Do you understand that "issues can be raised" is necessarily a euphemism for "people can be threatened with fines, bankruptcy, or jail time"?

It is possible for financial penalties to be levied without enriching private attorneys.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by lazyasciiart »

drdeca wrote: post #115
lazyasciiart wrote: post #110

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Conflating "willingness to do" with "ability to pay" is a fundamental attribution error.

ok, not willing-and-able then.

Ah, so not-rich people ought to just accept that social change is only supposed to be driven by the rich, and stop passing laws and suing people. That's certainly one vision for society, but not one I like.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by knodi123 »

tehwebguy wrote: post #121
littlestymaar wrote: post #93

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> companies doing that Doing which, making services unavailable to disabled people or suing those that do? I mean if my health insurer, for example, couldn't accommodate a disability of mine, especially something as common as low vision or hearing, I'd certainly feel like getting revenge but doesn't everyone feel that way about every health insurer every year or two? If you meant the other way around, like if someone…

> Doing which, making services unavailable to disabled people or suing those that do?

You think these people are champions of the disabled?

If a disabled person wanted to see the video, and could not, and asked them for help, that would be one thing. This ain't that. They're fucking vultures, they are in this to make money off of as many people as possible, regardless of the harm they cause. This is no more sane than the Texas law that allows people to be amateur bounty hunters and dogpile on anyone who might have played any kind of role in any woman's abortion.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Post by bombcar »

bragr wrote: post #42
mdmglr wrote: post #28

Wouldn’t an easy fix be to switch to a domain managed by a more sane organization? Like .com? And of course not use an Israeli hosting providers.

Looking at the sites on wayback[1], and it appears that they are all Hebrew language tutorials, so I suspect the '.il' TLD is an important signal to potential victors in this regard. And since this means the audience is almost entirely Israeli, it doesn't make much sense from a web performance perspective to host elsewhere. Just my $0.02. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20220513045030/http://www.python...

It's also likely the case that hosting outside the country doesn't absolve an entity in that country from whatever requirements apply to it, just like European companies can't skirt the GDPR by hosting the servers in the US.
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