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Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#101

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His videos aren't subtitled, and are required to include subtitles.

Upload the videos to a private YouTube channel and then download the autogenerated subtitles?

Doesn't work in Hebrew.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#102

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"If it were wrong it would be illegal."

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This "wonder" you find yourself with is a result of the mismatch between observable data, statistics, and our intuition.

On the news we may read about Arson (or other "angry actions" by individuals) but this is highly negative selection bias - the actual incidence rate is near zero.

Because we have a lot of data like this (negative news that you are exposed to) we tend to over-estimate the incidence rate of arson (e.g. 1% instead of 0.001%)

So, when you ask the question "Why isn't $action provoking more $arson here", the answer is simple: statistically speaking, each individual is extremely unlikely to do arson (or similar), so even though they've been perturbed, the incidence doesn't really go up.

Another way to say it: Everyone knows the ROI on arson is negative, no matter how upset you are, crime is never worth it as a response, because you have zero upside. So almost everyone (overwhelming majority) don't do this (but we might think they would, again because we're exposed to negative bias news data)

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#103

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Then they wouldn't be subtitles.

I think the question is obvious — is this going to pass on a technicality or does the law stipulate that text is required to exactly follow the speech in audio? I'm asking because in my country that's how you usually pass various government audits — by following the letter of the law and ignoring its spirit. I've had to do it a few times at $DAYJOB because of budget constraints and other reasons.

Don't know how Israel's courts work but in England and Wales judges will seek to implement the will of Parliament. That's done by, among other things, interpreting words as they are ordinarily used. Do you know anyone who would expect 'subtitles' to mean text unrelated to the video?

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#104
> Israel excels in bureaucracy. Ask every Israeli businessman. I don’t have an alternative but to close these websites. Providing free resources to assist others with learning programming for free has become too expensive.

I'm quite confused after reading this and seeing the list of websites where he was providing "free resources". At first I thought it'd be unlikely that a free resource would fall under one of the categories where the accessibility law applies (closest thing would be the educational services sector, which I don't think applies here) but I thought, well, maybe he's just being careful?

But what stroke me ad odd, other than never hearing about these free resources in Hebrew (my mother tongue), is that it seems odd for free resource provider to have _so many domain names_ in any language, but Hebrew in particular (.co.il domain names are expensive and Hebrew speakers is quite small even if you don't deduct those who feel comfortable studying in English).

So I clicked few of the links which by now redirect back from each of the the domain names to https://lifemichael.com/corporate/ where he offers his courses (which are not for free, not that there's any issue with that).

But I wanted to take a look what he offered in the past though these websites and plugging them into archive.org I found that each of them seemed to have served identical content, which prometes his non-free courses, including in-person courses (it's in Hebrew but it's easy to see that it seems identical even if you can't read the language):

* http://web.archive.org/web/20210510183659/http://www.phpbook...

* http://web.archive.org/web/20220513044948/http://www.htmlboo...

I see that he does have a youtube channel with free content though. It's in Enlish and I'm pretty sure there's no ground for the accessibility law to bite here (though I have no authority to skay so): https://www.youtube.com/c/lifemichael

At any rate, this post makes little sense to me in the context of free online resources as being subject to the Israeli accessibility law, and IMO the author does little to none in leading the reader to any other conclusion.

Since the websites he removed were mostly offering paid services, they may have been subject to the accessibility law is my guess.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#105

There's a firm in Southern California that's suing restaurants / small theaters / community organizations / etc after bulk-scanning web sites for embedded video that lack links to caption files. It's all ADA abuse, lawsuits in the $5k-$7k range. A huge percentage of those sued don't have the means to fight back, and settle. The company that's suing people had some incompetent coder write their scanner, so it only par…

I genuinely do not understand how they can sleep at night. Thanks for pushing back.

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#106

People with disabilities often struggle to find content they can consume because it's not a11y friendly. Unfortunately in this case lawyers are capitalizing on this law that was made to help people with disabilities to go after websites that are not a11y friendly. Maybe before shutting down you should consider making your content a11y friendly by adding captions to your videos. It is extra work but consider you may b…

This.

I cannot believe the amount of strident anti-accessibility sentiment in this thread, it has to be coming mostly from the young and able-bodied? This has already been discussed and the question is settled, to the point of being actual law: civilized societies make allowances for people with disabilities.

We are not some "Lord of the Flies" barbarians to say "f*ck the deaf" are we?

It's 2022, captioning is a solved problem.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#107
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My phone can autocaption audio from any website, I assume there are services that would do this for videos. Is this worth considering?

My phone can autocaption audio from any website

How's its handling of Hebrew with intermingled programming language keywords in English and variable and procedure names that aren't going to be found in any dictionary?

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#108

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You might say that this is bad (and on its face, it certainly does feel that way), but OTOH, it rapidly resulted in an enormous quality-of-life change for disabled people, it is the reason that the US is vastly more accessible than many other places

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Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#109

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It’s boneheaded stuff like this that turned me against most accessibility laws in general. They sound like a good idea, but the implementations tend to make the perfect the enemy of the good and raise the barrier to entry too high for anyone who doesn’t have their own legal team.

While I generally agree, I think adding subtitles are a fairly low bar to pass that help the able & disabled in equal amounts. If you're in public and don't feel like wearing headphones or want to listen to music instead, than even shitty auto-generated captions are a massive improvement in quality

There is much content that wouldn't ever be put on Youtube if you had to subtitle it (and auto-generated subtitles were not good enough to count).

There's a whole different level of effort between recording a presentation and posting it and recording it, subtitling it, and posting it.

Re: Thanks to the Israeli accessibility law, I have to delete my websites

#110
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> you shouldn't be forced to choose between spending way more money on it or taking it away from everyone... The unfortunate end result of that is certain segments of the population treated as second-class citizens.

Then either whoever wants to fix that problem should pay for the additional costs, or accept that they aren't willing to do what is needed to fix the problem.

Conflating "willingness to do" with "ability to pay" is a fundamental attribution error.
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