New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions

Post by kennend3 » Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 1:32 PM UTC

BitwiseFool wrote: post #69

Retric wrote: post #63

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Rather than simply saying No tell them to put you on their do not call list. Saying that is useless in many situations, but for a company like XM Radio that you haven’t done business with they really need to follow those rules.

Some companies have notoriously desperate pesterering. I've opted out of XM Radio and Spectrum solicitation multiple times. It doesn't seem to stick.

Post by mancerayder » Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

leetcrew wrote: post #82

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #56

I think this is great, and though I agree that determining whether there is an "on-going cost to the manufacturer" will be a gray area that automakers will try to game, I think that's a solvable problem. The heated seats example is a great one. There is no reason for this not be a one-time charge. On the other hand, I think it's fair to offer autopilot/"full self driving" on a subscription, or at least the upgrades a…

> The heated seats example is a great one. There is no reason for this not be a one-time charge. if you're referring to BMW, the heated seats are still available as a one time charge. they're just also available as a subscription if you didn't option then upfront. heated seats seem like a weird fit for the subscription model, but as long as the upfront purchase option is reasonably priced, I don't really see the issu…

Post by Retric » Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 3:12 PM UTC

kennend3 wrote: post #152

Retric wrote: post #77

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You must explicitly use the words “Put me on your do not call list.” It’s dumb, but “If you want a telemarketer to stop calling you, do not say “Quit calling me” or “Don’t call me again.” In some companies, Reps are informed under strict guidelines to only delete records if the customer specifically requests they do so. Telemarketers are only required to put you on the “Do Not Call” list if you SPECIFICALLY request t…

Again, depends on the country and the laws of that nation. I'm Canadian: https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/phone/telemarketing/reg.htm you don't need to use specific terms and they have 14 days to stop calling you. in my case they continued to call and so i used the "complaint and enforcement" numbers on that page and reported them. have not been contacted since.

Post by celestialcheese » Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

49531 wrote: post #128

celestialcheese wrote: post #80

This is a great step. Subscriptions errode first sale protections by subscription-gating physical objects, allowing OEMs a work-around to first-sale doctrine. If you buy something, you should own it, and be able to fix it, scrap it, re-sell it, whatever you want. It's interesting NJ included self-driving in the subscription ban. These require significant overhead in compute, engineering resources and greatly impact s…

Do first sale protections apply to physical things? I thought first sale was an intellectual property / copyright thing.

Post by lamontcg » Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 5:52 PM UTC

rhcom2 wrote: post #58

leereeves wrote: post #47

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> in a nation where, on aggregate, their platform is unpopular Many polls report that the Republicans are more popular than the Democrats at the moment.[1] Sadly, refusing to acknowledge the existence of differing views seems to be rather common these days. 1: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-...

Support for party isn't the best metric for support for the party's policies though. There is broad support for gay marriage for example but marriage between a man and a woman and the "incorrectly decided" Obergefell v. Hodges is still part of the Republican platform. To me support for a party is much more about tribalism and branding than actual policy.