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India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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what do you mean?

That there seems to be a general problem in society to accept that no actually means no. And not a "no, but sure maybe just try harder".

100% agree to that. my original comment said the thing. you have put it way shorter but right at the mark

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Minors can't consent to being spied on. And being a school to which they are obligated by law to go, they can't be forced to consent even if they could consent.

Their parents are consenting.

being forced is not legal consent, no. And being forced without being asked is even worse.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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You actually can have Vanced be the default! Set an app timer for 0hr 0 min on YouTube, and go into the app link behavior in settings to default to Vanced. After that, links should open in Vanced. In apps that have browsers, view the link in the internal browser if it brings you to YouTube.com, and it should redirect.

Any detailed instructions for lay people please. I would like to use this, but don't know how to set the app timer you mentioned. Thanks.

It’s under the new “digital well-being” menu in settings. Quickest way to get there is to tap and hold YouTube’s app icon, then click the little (I) or gear, which will take you to YouTube’s individual settings. One of them should be the app timer.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Microsoft's OS dominance through Windows is probably why Windows Phone is so successful, right? ;-) Presumably Apple also leveraged the Mac's unquestioned dominance of the PC space to enable the iPhone to beat established incumbents like Nokia, Blackberry and Palm. And Android undoubtedly became popular primarily because of Google's dominance in web search. I can't believe government regulators let these companies ge…

You can't possibly think Windows would have the market share it has now if people were able to just walk into the store and buy the same laptops with Linux installed.

Linux on the Deaktop barely worked for non IT specialists, at the time of that lawsuit.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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I hope people don't make the assumption that anything that's not coming from Google is harmful and a potential adware/malware. People who support Apple's app store monopoly also use the same logic. Maybe the Indian government needs to push separate bills prohibiting manufactures from packaging crapware. But this is a step in the right direction IMO.

We don't need to assume. We have decades of experience and data showing that mobile operators will jam phones full of as much spyware, adware, and experience-ruining garbage as they are legally and technically able.

Yeah, this is basically why Android One, Pixel & Nexus phones, and phones with “Stock Android” we’re/are so popular among tech people because they didn’t come with the carrier or OEM forced uninstallable crapware.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Any detailed instructions for lay people please. I would like to use this, but don't know how to set the app timer you mentioned. Thanks.

It’s under the new “digital well-being” menu in settings. Quickest way to get there is to tap and hold YouTube’s app icon, then click the little (I) or gear, which will take you to YouTube’s individual settings. One of them should be the app timer.

I believe that's a Samsung-specifc feature, no?

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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other comment mentioning that "Ambani’s Reliance co will launch search next month." is not realistic. I mean even Bing is not able to capture significant market share of Google after all these years. > Google forbidding Indian telcom companies and Chinese smartphone manufactures from installing adwarecrap has made the ultra-cheap smartphone experience somewhat tolerable for hundreds of millions of people. however, th…

So basically you're saying that here's an American company that is monopolising a critical market in my country, but I prefer that monopoly to continue because I have built up this scenario in which an Indian company might monopolise it instead. Interesting.

I mean, yes, quite literally, because Google's "monopolisation" pales in comparison to the insane influence Jio already has. Jio was the first telecom in India that required it's users to submit fingerprints to get a SIM card. You can't get more explicitly dystopian than that - want internet? Submit your fingerprints so we can link it to your National Identity Document and who you call/text.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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It’s under the new “digital well-being” menu in settings. Quickest way to get there is to tap and hold YouTube’s app icon, then click the little (I) or gear, which will take you to YouTube’s individual settings. One of them should be the app timer.

I believe that's a Samsung-specifc feature, no?

It’s available on stock android as well (I use a Pixel). Not sure about general availability.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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This is a by-product of a simple thing: Google being the largest payment system provider in India. Google Pay in India is basically CashApp++ . And the govt is paranoid about the "Big Tech takeover of banking". Which is not very dissimilar to "Bust Up Big Tech Act". Google Pay is pre-installed on every android system. This is basically a browser war part 2.0. Except for payments.

This is not true at all, India has a relatively healthy triopoly of payment providers, GPay is definitely not at the top. As someone from New Delhi, very few people around me use GPay, and instead use PayTM.

And the difference is moot since all of these services use UPI anyway, so it's not like Google Pay being a monopoly would drastically change how much data the government can see.

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