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When people take boardgames a bit too seriously. :-P
This is more than just boardgames, it's peoples' careers and livelihoods, too.
If only there was bread to accompany the circus.
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Golf's a game of precision motor control, while insanely long drives might be evidence of cheating, it's hard to imagine a way to make yourself more accurate besides skill, at least without it being obvious on live television. Biking obviously involves a lot of different things but it's much easier to see how doping is going to help. Football has so many facets that it's kind of surprising there aren't more cheating…
Legitimate curiosity from a non-golf person: how would one cheat at golf?
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>that’s all they assert Nah, chess.com asserts that he's cheating more than he admitted to. While Carlsen asserts that Hans cheated on OTB games against him. No clear evidence on any of those things. Also, chess.com is far from an authority here, plus, there's a conflict of interest. They would have to show with some method that a court considers valid (much better than "trust me, bro ;)") that Hans was cheating. Dis…
Invariably, I suspect that this trial will not prove anything. While I’m frustrated at the realization that Chess.com has a conflict of interest, I think halting Niemann’s career without proof of OTB cheating is absolutely foolish from the Carlsen camp. A far better solution is to tell Niemann he has been flagged, and his games will be watched for an extended time period with added scrutiny, he’ll need to explain why…
There is no conflict of interest outside of keeping games fair. They are a platform that hosts chess matches. That's it. Banning an admitted cheater who admitting to cheating in order to make more money is not a conflict of interest at all - it's what would keep people from using their site.
>A far better solution is to tell Niemann he has been flagged
And that's happened. And Niemann STILL cheated. Did you see the letter the Chess.com folks sent Hans? Hans admitted to cheating, was banned, was allowed to come back, and cheated again. Chess.com was extremely lenient with Hans, and admitted as such.
>he’ll need to explain why he made the moves accurately
That's where the whole "the chess speaks for itself" thing came from....he was put on the spot in the post match interview against Carlsen. He couldn't explain why he made some of the moves he made and would fall back to "the chess speaks for itself" line. That's why people are suspicious of him.
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Clearly some people whose opinions matter do not regard those measures as stringent enough to settle the issue.
This is a video of Hans being checked before round 4 of the Sinquefield cup. https://www.chessdom.com/hans-niemann-was-thoroughly-checked... I don't know what else they could have done other than full body x-ray him. Make your own mind up whether these checks are stringent. In addition, there was a 15 minute broadcast delay. His record in that tournament for rounds 4 though 9 was loss, draw, draw, win, draw. Hans was…
In any such proposal, he could reasonably require the same of his opponents and any monitors present.
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Clearly some people whose opinions matter do not regard those measures as stringent enough to settle the issue.
Do you have any idea of what is in place to prevent cheating in those competitions? The only possible improvement would be for the players to be naked. This is just an easy excuse. "He cheated!" "There are anticheat measures" "They're not good enough" It's a cycle that can never be solved. The loser can always claim the anticheat measures were "not enough". You know what. I think Carlsen has cheated in every single o…
As far as I am concerned, once Niemann has passed all the tests his accusers can come up with, he would be vindicated, and they would be subject to opprobrium - it would be a vindication unavailable even through a successful libel suit. There's no infinite regress of suspicion in this view.
I feel bad for Magnus. It looks like the CEO of chess.com totally played him. Chess.com sponsors and owns so much of the Chess community. They have more power and influence than even FIDE over the players IMO. - GM sponsors? Chess.com money. - Chess streamers? Chess.com money. Magnus joining forces in a more professional setting via the acquisition created a serious conflict of interest. Not a perfect example, but im…
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Please listen to Duda,Keymer, Ali reza do post game analysis. They can speak very well about their ideas. It is not normal to be a 2700 and be unable to give your thoughts on the game you just played.
Yeah, because being a GM is a completely normal thing in the first place. Bobby Fischer was one of the top chess players of all time and was a certifiably insane nut job. There’s nothing normal about being a GM in the first place. Niemann literally just won the biggest game of his life. He did something none of Duda, Alireza, etc have achieved. His situation was not normal. Trying to judge his actions based on whethe…
>He did something none of Duda, Alireza, etc have achieved.
Only if you mean winning in Classical with Black.
Duda beating Carlsen in Classical
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2010697
His interview. The quality of the broadcast is a bit bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fchM2Dcr5mU
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Ali Reza beating Carlsen in Rapid with a beautiful checkmate https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2072900
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Pragg beating Carlsen in Rapid at 16 https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2252714 Giving an interview at age 16 at 3 am after beating Carlsen https://www.chessbase.in/news/Praggnanandhaa-beats-Magnus-Ca...
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> The only possible improvement would be for the players to be naked. Something might be placed inside the organism. > I think Carlsen has cheated in every single one of his games. Prove the contrary. That's easy. He streamed a lot of games with the tightest time requirements happening in the discipline, kind of 3 minutes per player plus extra 1 second per move. The speed of that game is so high that there is simply…
> Something might be placed inside the organism https://www.chessdom.com/hans-niemann-was-thoroughly-checked... Seems unlikely ...
Please note: I am not a lawyer With that said, pretty much everyone in my family, including my SO, are lawyers and I have been around the block a few times when it comes to discussing slander / libel suits in the US. As an independent 3rd party with no interest in the world of Chess, I don't see how Niemann expects to win any damages in this case. In the US the bar for slander is very high due to the existence of the…
Another interesting lawyer analysis can be found on twitter at https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1583225640873959424
Shame that it is so difficult to navigate twitter at times, there is a lot of really good analysis here for anyone that is interested. I didn't go over the conspiracy and anti trust charges but he does a good job covering the bases and explaining what Niemann needs to show in order to be awarded damages or not have the suit thrown out.
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This is more than just boardgames, it's peoples' careers and livelihoods, too.
Yes, there are people who make a living from playing. It doesn't mean it isn't healthy to take a step back every now and then and consider the ridiculousness of taking this too seriously. If only there was bread to accompany the circus.
I think xQc said it best:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/x6rx19/xqc_...