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Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

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post #26

> An unbroken lineage to people of ancient times, known as a descent from antiquity, still remains to be historically proven. Such records exist in Chinese culture, in particular in Taiwan and the diaspora, as they have not been interrupted before the Cultural Revolution.

Where can one learn more about this?

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

#52
post #14

If the average age of giving birth is 25, Mark Antony would be about 80 generations ago. With each generation back doubling the number of ancestors (2 parents, 4 grandparents, …), this person has a theoretical 2^80 ancestors - somewhat more than the number of people that have ever lived. So clearly that logic is flawed, and the family tree must in fact be a family web - but potentially a very, very wide one. I wouldn…

Furthermore for an ancestor that far back, many of their descendants may not even have inherited any of their actual genes.

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

#53
post #24

Such paper lineages assume that none of the fathers were cuckolded. DNA is the only way to be sure.

« Non-paternity events » occur at a rate of a few percents a given generation at best, but it's enough that at this scale even a rock-solid documents trail isn't proof of descent.

Assuming it's 3%, then after 80 generations there would only an 8% chance of the genealogy being accurate.

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

#54
post #14

If the average age of giving birth is 25, Mark Antony would be about 80 generations ago. With each generation back doubling the number of ancestors (2 parents, 4 grandparents, …), this person has a theoretical 2^80 ancestors - somewhat more than the number of people that have ever lived. So clearly that logic is flawed, and the family tree must in fact be a family web - but potentially a very, very wide one. I wouldn…

This is called pedigree collapse.

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

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post #14

If the average age of giving birth is 25, Mark Antony would be about 80 generations ago. With each generation back doubling the number of ancestors (2 parents, 4 grandparents, …), this person has a theoretical 2^80 ancestors - somewhat more than the number of people that have ever lived. So clearly that logic is flawed, and the family tree must in fact be a family web - but potentially a very, very wide one. I wouldn…

There also wasn't much mixing of isolated populations of humans, leading to a relatively large amount of inbreeding. Sort of like a graph with clusters of heavily linked nodes and only a few links between the clusters.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029453-500-inbreedi...

> "“In the distant past, human populations were probably only in the thousands or at best tens of thousands, and lived locally, exchanging mates only with their nearest neighbours.”"

International shipping, and now, air travel, has changed this - the 20th century and the population boom have led to more genetic mixing than at any point in human history.

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

#56
post #40

As a very low self-esteem person, I envy the self-confidence of the author. In high school he seems more of a man than I will ever be.

Perhaps you would also have been more confident if you had grown up in privilege and had the resources to pursue various things. An organism with few resources will seek safety and the conservation of energy, whereas one with abundance will seek expansion

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

#57
post #52
post #14

If the average age of giving birth is 25, Mark Antony would be about 80 generations ago. With each generation back doubling the number of ancestors (2 parents, 4 grandparents, …), this person has a theoretical 2^80 ancestors - somewhat more than the number of people that have ever lived. So clearly that logic is flawed, and the family tree must in fact be a family web - but potentially a very, very wide one. I wouldn…

Furthermore for an ancestor that far back, many of their descendants may not even have inherited any of their actual genes.

Given that we share somewhere well north of 99% of our genes with every other human being that sounds unlikely.

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

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post #14

If the average age of giving birth is 25, Mark Antony would be about 80 generations ago. With each generation back doubling the number of ancestors (2 parents, 4 grandparents, …), this person has a theoretical 2^80 ancestors - somewhat more than the number of people that have ever lived. So clearly that logic is flawed, and the family tree must in fact be a family web - but potentially a very, very wide one. I wouldn…

I wouldn't be surprised if every person in Europe and every person in the Americas with European ancestry was descended from Mark Antony.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/2...

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

#59
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the correct answer. The entire population of Europe is about as descended from Mark Antony as that Georgian noble house. Only the Y-chromosome is lineally passed across such long time spans

Does it follow that same would apply for all humans of Mark Antony's time?

No. I don’t know the names of any great first century subsaharan African or Native American leaders, but even 80 generations back there are almost certainly none in my family tree. On the other hand I wouldn’t rule out some Asian steppe leader being in there somewhere.

Re: Living descendants of Mark Antony

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post #57
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Furthermore for an ancestor that far back, many of their descendants may not even have inherited any of their actual genes.

Given that we share somewhere well north of 99% of our genes with every other human being that sounds unlikely.

Oh sure, we'll have many of the same genes, but got them from other ancestors.
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