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India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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These fines are always at least 1 to 2 decimal points too small for their targets to even care about. Want to hurt them? Fine them 10% of their yearly revenue, that'll get their attention.

They've also issued a cease and desist order. If Google continues its anti-competitive behavior, they can slap it with a much bigger fine.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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India following EU to claim a piece of that ad money.

Governments around the world getting more belligerent towards big tech, just see the numerous jurisdictions scrutinizing Apple, too.

"Tell his children that government is more powerful than any corporation, and the only reason they think it tilts the other way is because we poor public servants are always looking for some fat private sector's payoff down the road. But I am NOT looking. And by the time they pull the strings to force me out it will be too late."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A98vqgBsoxQ

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Here is the link to original order [ https://www.cci.gov.in/antitrust/press-release/details/261/0 ] some experts 13. Accordingly, in terms of the provisions of Section 27 of the Act, the Commission has imposed monetary penalty as well as issued cease and desist order against Google from indulging in anti-competitive practices that have been found to be in contravention of the provisions of Section 4 of the Act. Some…

Holy hell, this seems a lot more comprehensive than I'd ever expected. Good job India. I hope this spreads to the rest of the world somehow. The fact that it's impossible to uninstall YouTube or use Vanced as the default for YouTube.com links is the bane of my existence.

You want so badly to change an app default that it's the "bane of your existence", but you can't be jazzed to install LineageOS or whatever? That doesn't track.

There are legitimate arguments about product bundling and antitrust to be made, but the simple truth is that expert users with particular application tastes are very well served in the Android ecosystem as it stands.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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If "platform" companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft weren't capable of advantaging themselves via anti-competitive practices, their stock values wouldn't be nearly as high. Their implicit leverage over the markets they oversee via their OSes is the core of why they are the biggest companies in the world. Fines are a cost of doing business, hardly a deterrent when your product (your OS) is the conduit through which entire industries operate.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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But Google doesn't require Android makers to bundle it's apps unless they specifically want to be called a Google device (and thus take advantage of the free marketing). Plenty of Chinese manufacturers ship without Google bits.

I see it another way: govts want money. They steal it from the work of people and profitable companies. I came to the cornclusion that beyond that, they do not care.

Of course, they need excuses. But their motivation is not the excuses. With war it also happens the same. I do not know who said that, but someone well-known once said: for a war you need two things, one is the real reason and the other is the excuse to make it happen.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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If "platform" companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft weren't capable of advantaging themselves via anti-competitive practices, their stock values wouldn't be nearly as high. Their implicit leverage over the markets they oversee via their OSes is the core of why they are the biggest companies in the world. Fines are a cost of doing business, hardly a deterrent when your product (your OS) is the conduit through which…

Microsoft's OS dominance through Windows is probably why Windows Phone is so successful, right? ;-)

Presumably Apple also leveraged the Mac's unquestioned dominance of the PC space to enable the iPhone to beat established incumbents like Nokia, Blackberry and Palm.

And Android undoubtedly became popular primarily because of Google's dominance in web search.

I can't believe government regulators let these companies get away with such things.

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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If "platform" companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft weren't capable of advantaging themselves via anti-competitive practices, their stock values wouldn't be nearly as high. Their implicit leverage over the markets they oversee via their OSes is the core of why they are the biggest companies in the world. Fines are a cost of doing business, hardly a deterrent when your product (your OS) is the conduit through which…

Microsoft's OS dominance through Windows is probably why Windows Phone is so successful, right? ;-) Presumably Apple also leveraged the Mac's unquestioned dominance of the PC space to enable the iPhone to beat established incumbents like Nokia, Blackberry and Palm. And Android undoubtedly became popular primarily because of Google's dominance in web search. I can't believe government regulators let these companies ge…

> Microsoft's OS dominance through Windows is probably why Windows Phone is so successful, right? ;-)

Where can I go on MSN to read up more on your explanation for Windows Phone dominance?

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

other comment mentioning that "Ambani’s Reliance co will launch search next month." is not realistic. I mean even Bing is not able to capture significant market share of Google after all these years. > Google forbidding Indian telcom companies and Chinese smartphone manufactures from installing adwarecrap has made the ultra-cheap smartphone experience somewhat tolerable for hundreds of millions of people. however, th…

Ah! the whole theory that Reliance is a BJP's poodle. Go back and look 1986 Cricket World Cup and what is it named.. and .. you got it right, Reliance Cup. The Ambanis are no one's poodles all Indian Politicians are their poodles. The monumental growth of Reliance from a small textile company to a petro-chemical behemoth to a huge conglomerate happened under the rule of Indian National Congress.

*1987…but other than that, spot on

Re: India fines Google $162M for anti-competitive practices on Android

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But Google doesn't require Android makers to bundle it's apps unless they specifically want to be called a Google device (and thus take advantage of the free marketing). Plenty of Chinese manufacturers ship without Google bits.

I highly recommend you read the original ruling, it is in English and it explains how they view the relationship between the Play Store, Android OEMs, the MADA, and other Google services.
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