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San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

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Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#621

Just pay for a top of the line port-a-potty cleaned and purged daily. Will be cheaper and won’t look that bad. I used to hang out at the park daily with my dog. It would work out just fine.

They'd need to find someone who owns a port-a-potty company and is also married/related to someone on the city counsel, which could be a challenge.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#622

Just pay for a top of the line port-a-potty cleaned and purged daily. Will be cheaper and won’t look that bad. I used to hang out at the park daily with my dog. It would work out just fine.

You could have a village of port-a-pottys for a long time for 1.7mill. On second thought, the person cleaning it daily would need a 200k annual city salary, so maybe not.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#623
post #160

Why is it that the deepest blue areas of the country have some of the most abject inequity and poverty? It seems that there's a fine line between compassion and enablement when it comes to the deep blue municipalities of New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, etc. Sure the rustbelt, deep south, and Appalachia are areas with similar problems and mixed politics, but they also somehow feel different.

Because those things are a result of progressive policies.

I used to be a progressive and used to campaign for candidates. Then I stayed where I am and the rest of the bandwagon moved way way left. So, I will probably vote against any of the "progressive" policies, politicians and elections.

At this point, Florida and Texas have record net in-flux migration from California. Can't wait to see this competition completely kick California's butt. It is a shame, I am stuck here, I'd move otherwise. With all my heart, I want to improve California. I just don't see a way.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#624
post #500

The real solution to the public defecation crisis is either unlocking bathrooms at night or more “single” use plastic bags. Anyone knows dog parks have less shit around when there are bags readily available, but somehow they haven’t connected that to the city in general. It used to be you could pretty reliably find a good clean plastic bag in any trash can. Not so anymore. Problem is anyone proposing this in governme…

I don't think it's even possible to solve the public toilet problem without first solving the drug abuse problem. Everyone agrees it would be ideal to have toilet access to everyone, but no one has an answer for how you design a toilet that's impossible to abuse.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#625

Price doesn’t seem that outrageous to me. Public bathrooms in cities get destroyed and are very difficult to maintain; a lot of cities give up on free restrooms entirely. One of the biggest perks of working downtown in a moderately sized or larger city is being able to go to the bathroom there outside of work hours. I priced out some relatively minor kitchen/bathroom renovation work in 2018 at around $100k. Put it of…

> One of the biggest perks of working downtown in a moderately sized or larger city is being able to go to the bathroom there outside of work hours.

I'm in a big city in Canada and there was a downtown farmer's market here for a while. Literally smack in the middle of the city, went up and down a few streets on Saturday mornings. Loved going, was a short walk and had lots of good eats, local produce, etc.

But no bathrooms. None of the local places would let you in if you weren't paying, and the only way I could make a head call was at the local YMCA -- and the only reason they let me in was cuz I was a member of their gym.

It's crazy to me how you can be in the center a huge edifice of planning, piping, conduits, etc. and still not be able to find a toilet.

edit: they did normally have porta-johns but didn't this morning. On at least one occasion I'd seen people tip them over, hopefully with no one in them.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#626
post #527

I'd really like to read an anonymous report from someone working in the government and who understands why the city is such a mess. Like, I read so many theories, but they mostly seem to be written by people with an agenda or who have no clue.

If this is anything like the $20,000 trash cans[0], the price is inflated because there's only one and so all the one time costs around design and manufacturing are put on a single item. When you amortize the costs across the entire production run, it falls to a tenth the price, but "$2,000 trash can" doesn't generate headlines and outrage because that's how much a sturdy municipal trashcan costs.[1]

But to talk about the nationwide problem that building anything anywhere takes orders of magnitude too long and too much, there's no smoking gun. It seems to be a combination of factors from understaffed government agencies, to invested interests, to out of date regulations, to just bad engineering and planning.[2][3]

[0] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco-pricey-t...

[1] https://www.trashcanswarehouse.com/Municipal-Trash-Cans-and-...

[2] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/why-we-cant-figure-o...

[3] https://www.vox.com/22534714/rail-roads-infrastructure-costs...

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#627
post #500

The real solution to the public defecation crisis is either unlocking bathrooms at night or more “single” use plastic bags. Anyone knows dog parks have less shit around when there are bags readily available, but somehow they haven’t connected that to the city in general. It used to be you could pretty reliably find a good clean plastic bag in any trash can. Not so anymore. Problem is anyone proposing this in governme…

You're saying people who are pooping on public sidewalks will willingly choose to poop into plastic bags on public sidewalks, if only they had them available?

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#628
post #500

The real solution to the public defecation crisis is either unlocking bathrooms at night or more “single” use plastic bags. Anyone knows dog parks have less shit around when there are bags readily available, but somehow they haven’t connected that to the city in general. It used to be you could pretty reliably find a good clean plastic bag in any trash can. Not so anymore. Problem is anyone proposing this in governme…

I don't think it's even possible to solve the public toilet problem without first solving the drug abuse problem. Everyone agrees it would be ideal to have toilet access to everyone, but no one has an answer for how you design a toilet that's impossible to abuse.

The guy is literally asking for doggie bags to be available so he can crap in a bag when toilets aren’t available/closed.

We need to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, or the whole city turns into a toilet.

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#629
post #160

Why is it that the deepest blue areas of the country have some of the most abject inequity and poverty? It seems that there's a fine line between compassion and enablement when it comes to the deep blue municipalities of New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, etc. Sure the rustbelt, deep south, and Appalachia are areas with similar problems and mixed politics, but they also somehow feel different.

Because cities tend to go blue and tend to have their problems crammed into a small area, where a single person can observe it. Taking a photo of 10 junkies strung out on a city street corner tells a more compelling story than taking a picture of a rural junkie on their porch, then driving 10 minutes and taking another picture of a rural junkie on their porch, and then driving another 15 minutes...

Re: San Francisco is spending $1.7M on one public toilet

#630

Price doesn’t seem that outrageous to me. Public bathrooms in cities get destroyed and are very difficult to maintain; a lot of cities give up on free restrooms entirely. One of the biggest perks of working downtown in a moderately sized or larger city is being able to go to the bathroom there outside of work hours. I priced out some relatively minor kitchen/bathroom renovation work in 2018 at around $100k. Put it of…

I know this is a forum for tech bros who are generally well paid but responding to a story about a million dollar public toilet with "that's no big deal, I'm currently spending six figures on minor kitchen renovations" seems pretty out of touch to me. That is a ton of money to so many people.
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