Lot of people here with opinions about using Ubuntu as a desktop OS. Seemingly nobody here with opinions about Ubuntu as a server OS. Strange for a bunch of startup people who ship their SaaS backends on Linux servers.
Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
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#212Just to add a bit of positivity in the sea of negativity - thanks for Ubuntu, it has been very impactful in the ecosystem!
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I used to use opensuse around 2010, and had very pleasant experience with it. Things just worked, and their Yast tool was very handy. I used to joke that opensuse is the Mercedes of linux distro :). I am wondering why it isn't more popular. Is there any sentiment/experience people would like to share about this distro?
Ubuntu does a pretty good job marketing-wise, many people start they journey with Ubuntu and never look for other distros. Or on the other hand, they end up on advanced/continuous-maintenance distros like Arch Linux.
Do you really think 'continuous maintenance' is an appropriate category for Arch? That hasn't been my experience.
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Same, but I went with Debian as I wanted to stay in the .deb world.
Let me start by saying Debian rolling release is the truth. That being said, I worry about the archaic community and contributor-tooling behind debian to be a barrier that will lead to its demise though. Makes me sad, but it is what it is. We are all getting old, and to us this interface looks normal, but to new people and those making the apps that the kids depend on, it looks like a shitshow of antiquated code. Nob…
I look at all the distros Debian has outlasted and when people say Debian won’t last I just bust out laughing.
Those holy neckbeards are doing a great job maintaining this OS and it’s got quite enough packages.
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#215Lot of people here with opinions about using Ubuntu as a desktop OS. Seemingly nobody here with opinions about Ubuntu as a server OS. Strange for a bunch of startup people who ship their SaaS backends on Linux servers.
I have a couple of personal servers I run on Ubuntu.
I've used Alpine before and it's fine, but I want proper bash and full tools which is tedious to setup, and it doesn't do release upgrades automatically. Sometimes they make major changes like sudo-to-doas. Alpine needs a better versioning system and a release upgrader.
I've also run Debian and found it unpolished and unreliable. For no reason whatsoever package updates just randomly reset all my preferences sometimes. This has happened to me multiple times over different packages and installs. Now I wouldn't run Debian if you paid me.
Ubuntu Server has none of these problems and just works.
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#216Ubuntu seems to be doing a speedrun of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Microsoft will buy Canonical before the decade is out is my thought. Then shall there be two distros of IBM and Microsoft, grinning at each other across a dead land filled with rottenness.
If they'd wanted a Linux distribution, they'd have bid on Red Hat back when it was up for sale, which was at least fairly profitable and fit in with their enterprise lineup.
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Jump to Debian. It has always worked towards users' interests, and probably will continue doing that because pretty much all developers are volunteers and are running a democratically driven development process. I never understood why Ubuntu is so popular because it's 99.99% Debian, and only gives you a handful of things on top of that: predictable release schedule (which is a two-edged sword if you think about it),…
(Specific, upstream-provided) PPAs are the main reason I use Ubuntu Server. Given that they're built against Ubuntu's separately-version-sequenced package ecosystem, I can't expect PPAs that install cleanly on Ubuntu to be able to find the same packages required to install cleanly on Debian. If I could, I'd just use Debian and then forcibly add the PPAs as apt sources.
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This. The packages make sense for the apps that don't change frequently, but browsers don't match this description.
It's the opposite of the way things should be. Package managers should have the most utility for applications that update frequently, because isn't the raison d'etre of a package manager to make updating programs easier? Some distros manage to get it right. I haven't had any trouble using OpenSUSE Tumbleweed's packaged Firefox.
You are right its not the fact that it updates frequently. It is when the distro package is an inferior option either because of version or build options.
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Seconded. Fedora is very much NOT an all-ready-out-of-the-box experience, unless you are a FLOSS dev.
> Fedora is very much NOT an all-ready-out-of-the-box experience, unless you are a FLOSS dev. Nah it's pretty close if you have an integrated Intel or AMD system, you really don't need closed-source drivers for much except Nvidia these days. Chrome is in the non-free Fedora repositories (or can be installed easily from the website with an .rpm) and that's all most normal users need.
Do they stroll restrict nonfree audio/video codecs?
I would use fedora, but I want my repository set limited to trusted sources only. Core repositories are RedHat endorsed, afaict the user managed ones are not.
I want the ability to say that packages are from maintainers that are well trusted in a court of law. I cannot do that with fedora due to this, Ubuntu seems to be my only solution and it’s rapidly becoming unusable (I don’t hate snap, but it’s broken my workflow).
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#220The micropython support is interesting; most activity is on circuitpython but micropython supports older chips (the ESP8266 and the very first OG original ESP32 are two examples of hardware I have on my desk).
They both work, its just the odds are vastly higher of finding a library for circuit rather than micro and there's probably ten circuit python users for every micropython user. Although I "have to" use both.
I thought that was interesting to throw in support of the less popular but wider range of hardware choice for microcontroller python and not even mention the other more popular option.
(Side note what's up with UF2 firmware upgrades not working on ESP32-S2 chips, works on everything else, must be an interesting story behind that)