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Re: An account was suspended

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Post by Dylan16807 »

MikePlacid wrote: post #338
Dylan16807 wrote: post #325

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> I said: exactly my point. They're both not government action, but they're very different kinds. There's a huge difference between "I will not assist this entity" and "I will stop other people from assisting this entity". Along similar lines, I am deeply upset with the level of power that payment processors have/use around censorship. But I don't care too much what AWS does.

>There's a huge difference between "I will not assist this entity" and "I will stop other people from assisting this entity". On one hand - exactly! This is why I hate that Amazon stops me from using Parler, instead of not using it itself. On other hand - my kids faced much less obstacles than Parler: 1. They are adults, they could have purchased their own internet connection. 2. They are Russians, they know how to u…

> On one hand - exactly! This is why I hate that Amazon stops me from using Parler, instead of not using it itself.

You have twisted what I said past the breaking point. Amazon didn't stop anyone else from hosting or accessing Parler. They only refused to assist it themselves.

> they know how to use VPN.

Oh if VPN is allowed then it's significantly less of a problem. But you're still blocking it on the main network in a way that goes significantly beyond what Amazon did.

Infrastructure should not block. I don't feel like AWS is monopolistic enough to count as infrastructure.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by threatofrain »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #308
celeritascelery wrote: post #256

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This is another power imbalance that is so frustrating. The account was “permanently suspended”, which you think means permanently suspended. But that only applies to normies. All the words are meaningless if twitter says otherwise. It’s really like living under a medieval king who is a law unto himself.

Permanently suspended means not temporarily suspended (for a few weeks etc). Everyone gets the ability to appeal. Whether the twitter kerfuffle affected the appeal process is another matter though.

I don’t get the ability to appeal. My Twitter account is permanently suspended and the appeals process is blocked for me. I have maybe tweeted once or twice years ago. I don’t get any explanation for why the appeals process doesn’t work for me or what’s wrong with my account.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by Manuel_D »

Aloha wrote: post #322
MikePlacid wrote: post #181

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My trigger was not Russia, it was de-platforming of Parler. I kinda care more about my life in the US and consider political de-platforming an extremely dangerous development. A “trigger” caused by my “living experience” as my son interprets it (but I think it’s more logical than that).

The way I see it, Parler wasn't deplatformed. Parler could have rented a building, bought servers, racked and stacked those servers, networked them and gotten connectivity to the world. They didn't, they leased servers as a service from others, and then got burned when those services decided they were uncomfortable with the vitriolic anonymous speech being hosted on their hardware. Had they truly built their own plat…

Right, but the point remains: AWS kicked Parler off of their platform. It's fine to be of the opinion that AWS was in the right to do this, but your comment seems entirely contradictory: Your first sentence claims they weren't deplatformed, the rest of your comment explains how Parler should have built their own platform from the ground up after getting kicked off of AWS's platform.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by MikePlacid »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #341
MikePlacid wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's a huge difference between "I will not assist this entity" and "I will stop other people from assisting this entity". On one hand - exactly! This is why I hate that Amazon stops me from using Parler, instead of not using it itself. On other hand - my kids faced much less obstacles than Parler: 1. They are adults, they could have purchased their own internet connection. 2. They are Russians, they know how to u…

> On one hand - exactly! This is why I hate that Amazon stops me from using Parler, instead of not using it itself. You have twisted what I said past the breaking point. Amazon didn't stop anyone else from hosting or accessing Parler. They only refused to assist it themselves. > they know how to use VPN. Oh if VPN is allowed then it's significantly less of a problem. But you're still blocking it on the main network i…

>They only refused to assist it themselves.

How is taking money from me is assisting me? Amazon was not financing Parler, no providing it any discount, afaik. Me - I was assisting my kids by providing them Internet for free. Want Facebook? Pay for it yourselves.

>But you're still blocking it on the main network in a way that goes significantly beyond what Amazon did.

What is the "main network"? What I was blocking exactly? Call a provider, schedule an appointment, buy a WiFi switch... Yes, you could have missed an assignment or two, but nothing was blocked.

Exactly like Parler - it eventually coped and moved, just missed that "laptop story" bandwagon.

>I don't feel like AWS is monopolistic enough to count as infrastructure.

I think it is, I think it is. Even more worrying (to me) - Amazon participated in a coordinated shutdown of Parler on app stores and hosting sites. That was definitely an abuse of my money they "assisted" me by taking it, so they are not getting it anymore. An attitude recommended to everybody.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by tshaddox »

lapcat wrote: post #211
jorams wrote: post #200

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Looking at the account, I don't see why it would be a lie in this case, or why the account shouldn't have been suspended after manual review. It posted 75 tweets in 26 minutes, self-admittedly "from multiple locations around the world.". All of those tweets link to an external website. It's spam, so the account got suspended for posting spam. The fact that it was posted by Ben Thompson doesn't change the fact that it…

Would you say https://twitter.com/daringfireball or https://twitter.com/thetalkshow are spam? Should they be suspended too? The account did not violate Twitter rules in any way. It wasn't sending replies. It wasn't retweeting other accounts. It wasn't liking other accounts. It wasn't interacting with other accounts in any way. Should there be no accounts on Twitter that have a list of episodes of a program? People fo…

daringfireball has 30 tweets in the last 10 days. It's also a 15 year old account with 100k followers. It seems unlikely that any remotely competent spam detection algorithm or human review process would suspect it of being spam.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by arshbot »

lapcat wrote: post #203
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #195

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There is a lot of spam you don't see that affects you: bot rings that push topics in trending and lastest tweets that end up in your time line for example. Or voting bots that reinforce the outrage culture. Scam bots that prey on weak users in popular accounts (read any elo musk tweet responses for a sample). And bot oushing empty publication to hashtags that makes parsing it with a python script terrible. Just becau…

> bot rings that push topics in trending I have a browser extension that hides trending topics, so I don't see that at all. > tweets that end up in your time line for example I just said that I use the reverse chronological timeline that only shows tweets from my follows. > Or voting bots that reinforce the outrage culture. "I'm vastly more annoyed by real humans who reply to me with insults." > read any elo musk twe…

Believing this is a normal/typical way of using twitter is one of the most neurotic things I’ve read on this forum

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by viridian »

lapcat wrote: post #34
mschuster91 wrote: post #8

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Even blue checkmarks don't help against trolls, far right and griefers running mass-report attacks. The problem at its core is that Twitter refuses to hire appropriate levels of moderation staff for the scale it has, and that it does nothing against raid instigators. Reddit at least has subreddit mods take care of most of the bullshit and at least the large subreddit mods have direct connections to Reddit, and Reddit…

> The problem at its core is that Twitter refuses to hire appropriate levels of moderation staff for the scale it has I don't believe that anyone could moderate at Twitter's scale. More than 500 million tweets are published per day . How do you moderate that? It's like bringing an umbrella to a tsunami. Not to mention, Reddit moderation is crap. I've tried to use Reddit several times but gave up each time, because my…

Of all the forums, websites, social media, etc I've used, never have I experienced worse moderation than reddit. I've never been banned, but I've had comments removed for some of the most arbitrary reasons, and the average moderator seems to almost despise their own userbase, with the exception of their fellow mods.

To cite a particularly egregious example, I once saw a person banned for "giving medical advice" on /r/adhd, while not one, but multiple other moderators had also given medical advice in the exact same thread. A thread that was explicitly asking for medical advice.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by lapcat »

tshaddox wrote: post #345
lapcat wrote: post #211

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Would you say https://twitter.com/daringfireball or https://twitter.com/thetalkshow are spam? Should they be suspended too? The account did not violate Twitter rules in any way. It wasn't sending replies. It wasn't retweeting other accounts. It wasn't liking other accounts. It wasn't interacting with other accounts in any way. Should there be no accounts on Twitter that have a list of episodes of a program? People fo…

daringfireball has 30 tweets in the last 10 days. It's also a 15 year old account with 100k followers. It seems unlikely that any remotely competent spam detection algorithm or human review process would suspect it of being spam.

This is missing the point, which is "The account did not violate Twitter rules in any way."

If Gruber's accounts are not spam, then Thompson's account is not spam either. The age of the account and other statistics are irrelevant, because the same rules ought to apply to everyone.

I think it ought to be uncontroversial that an account shouldn't be suspended if it hasn't violated the rules, but somehow many people in this thread are defending the punishment of the innocent.

There's actually no rule against bots on Twitter. In fact there are some accounts now explicitly labeled "Automated". The goal ought to be not "detecting bots" but rather "detecting rule violations".

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by rchaud »

adolph wrote: post #330
rchaud wrote: post #192

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The web was great back when it was mostly read-only. You could comment and share, but only via email, so only to people you likely knew. Yes, I remember chain mails from 1997, but those were rare, maybe 2x a year. You probably saw that many dumb posts in the last 5 minutes of scrolling Twitter/FB/IG. Once social media replaced bookmarks, people went there to find new links. And eventually, when SM de-ranked posts wit…

> The web was great back when it was mostly read-only. ??? Justin Hall's call to arms "HTML is easy as hell"[0] was written nearly 30 years ago. The cycle Hall promoted is non-centralized, noncommercial and read-write. 0. http://www.links.net/webpub/

By read-only, I mean sans the comment sections that turned into outlets for mass spam, verbal abuse and misinformation.
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