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Re: An account was suspended

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Post by breck »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #15
michaelmcdonald wrote: post #2

Ben's account is already un-suspended, but only because he has a major presence and large audience (I would be shocked if people at Twitter didn't see this minutes into it happening or if Ben didn't have some direct line to various high up employees there). For the rest of us peasants: good luck getting help.

Yep. My account got suspended a few years ago. But to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise. Twitter for me was a huge time sink, even though I followed really interesting people talking about things I was really interesting. But once I got a forced detox, I realised I just gained back hours a week to do other things. Get off Twitter. Even better, turn off that TV.

I find Twitter amazing. (though I'm currently suspended again - https://twitter.com/breckyunits).

The trick is not to have a smart phone. When I'm coding I can pop in and out of Twitter. But then when I close the lid I'm unplugged.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by formerly_proven »

jffry wrote: post #16
astura wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is the "Reddit Suicide Alert?"

Basically a "feature" of Reddit which can be used to anonymously harass somebody on Reddit by having it send them a DM about suicide prevention. https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/4/21164687/reddit-new-suicid...

Which, just to be clear, is meant to convey the opposite obviously. "Reddit cares" is 99.99 % used by people to send others (I've seen mostly women raise this) a "kill yourself" message. Just like people who put "heartwarming" awards on posts about abuse, harassment etc.

On some subreddits every other post will be reported like this.

Meanwhile, Reddit tends to do very little about reports of even direct violence threats ala "I will find you and I will kill your children" etc. which are frequently found to "not be in violation of the terms of service".

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by breck »

_madmax_ wrote: post #27
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. My account got suspended a few years ago. But to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise. Twitter for me was a huge time sink, even though I followed really interesting people talking about things I was really interesting. But once I got a forced detox, I realised I just gained back hours a week to do other things. Get off Twitter. Even better, turn off that TV.

At this point in time I think I am comfortable saying the web is more detrimental to humans than Television ever was.

If you just stick to the sites that are public domain without ads, it's an amazing place.

And of course the "purple app" that everyone is talking about (https://www.farcaster.xyz/) is incredible.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by lapcat »

mschuster91 wrote: post #8
michaelmcdonald wrote: post #2

Ben's account is already un-suspended, but only because he has a major presence and large audience (I would be shocked if people at Twitter didn't see this minutes into it happening or if Ben didn't have some direct line to various high up employees there). For the rest of us peasants: good luck getting help.

Even blue checkmarks don't help against trolls, far right and griefers running mass-report attacks. The problem at its core is that Twitter refuses to hire appropriate levels of moderation staff for the scale it has, and that it does nothing against raid instigators. Reddit at least has subreddit mods take care of most of the bullshit and at least the large subreddit mods have direct connections to Reddit, and Reddit…

> The problem at its core is that Twitter refuses to hire appropriate levels of moderation staff for the scale it has

I don't believe that anyone could moderate at Twitter's scale. More than 500 million tweets are published per day. How do you moderate that? It's like bringing an umbrella to a tsunami.

Not to mention, Reddit moderation is crap. I've tried to use Reddit several times but gave up each time, because my innocent comments — mainly writing technical help — were getting moderated. I wasn't writing anything political; I couldn't even post on r/apple! They still use a lot of automation on Reddit in the bigger subreddits.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by jacobriis »

OJFord wrote: post #4

'permanently suspended' is weird in itself isn't it? Just avoiding the word 'banned' or similar.. but butchering other words into meaning the same thing?

It's such a power move to dictate things that don't make sense or that are internally inconsistent.

Suspended: Caused to stop for a while; interrupted or delayed.

You are permanently stopped for a while.

Unfortunately: Happening through bad luck

Through bad luck (not an intentional decision we are making), our policy prohibits that.

Unfortunately, your account has been permanently suspended.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by prepend »

OJFord wrote: post #4

'permanently suspended' is weird in itself isn't it? Just avoiding the word 'banned' or similar.. but butchering other words into meaning the same thing?

I think this is part of the super annoying to me trend of double speaking to avoid using overtly negative words.

“Banned” is a negative word so we don’t want to use that. But we still want to ban you, thus “permanently suspended.”

It’s not a new trend as “made redundant” (ie, fired) and “focusing on value” (ie, cancelled your project) are all over press releases and public communication.

I think it makes me feel worse than just using plain language as it takes me more effort to figure out the meaning so I’m also frustrated by the fakery in addition to whatever the negative message is. Makes the speaker and organization seem stupid.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by formerly_proven »

imhoguy wrote: post #24

Well, automated banning is going beyond absurd. OT but just yesterday I finally decided to join Discord fad for some open-source communities, but my freshly created account got instantly disabled after successful validation with email and phone, that without sending any message. Unfortunately I don't own a second phone number to register another one. I better stick with my veteran ways - IRC, mail-lists, forums. Matr…

It's actually remarkable how many users discord has considering how difficult it is to register an account that's not instantly shadowbanned or disabled.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by Turing_Machine »

capableweb wrote: post #28
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. My account got suspended a few years ago. But to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise. Twitter for me was a huge time sink, even though I followed really interesting people talking about things I was really interesting. But once I got a forced detox, I realised I just gained back hours a week to do other things. Get off Twitter. Even better, turn off that TV.

If it was only so easy. If you're running a business, you most likely need to meet people where they are at. Sometimes, your target audience are mostly on Facebook, then you most likely need to be at Facebook in order to reach them. Sometimes they are on Twitter, then you need to be there. Other times, you're doing something completely different, like running a restaurant, then you need to be visible on Google Maps/T…

> Sometimes they are on Twitter, then you need to be there.

Wow, that's a depressing thought.

I think I'd prefer to find a different line of business, if it were me.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by iLoveOncall »

Semaphor wrote: post #23
excerionsforte wrote: post #3

https://twitter.com/benthompson/status/1583062865116041229?c... gives an idea why it happened. He'll get it back.

Note that he goes into detail why he is so pissed: > It’s the “after careful review” line that has me riled up tbh. I can understand why an automated system suspended it. Don’t lie to me! -- https://nitter.kavin.rocks/benthompson/status/15830633139484...

Honest question: why would the account in question not be suspended after review by a human?

It's a new account that posted 75 tweets in less than 20 minutes, all linking to the same website, and with high-profile names in the title of the tweets.

This looks like spam to me, I would have banned it too.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by logicalmonster »

tosh wrote: post #7

Spam (and scam) detection in social networks is hard. Yet it is fascinating how "random" suspensions like these (sometimes without recourse if you aren't famous or know the right people) feel like they come straight out of a dystopian sci-fi script.

> Spam (and scam) detection in social networks is hard.

Just a question.

What's the true harm in letting even obvious spammers spam as much as they want on their social media profiles? Let them waste their time. Social media is a bit different than a message board where everybody is burdened by any spam that's posted because you have to follow somebody intentionally to see their idiocy on social media. If somebody wants to post 100 ads for viagra a day on some dumb Twitter bot profile, who is actually going to follow them other than maybe other bots? You really only have to worry about cleaning up the search results to ensure that the spam is hidden from standard searches.

The only person who should be upset about random bot spam on social media is the advertiser that might have paid a lot of money for loads of low-quality ad impressions. Well, doesn't it follow that the advertising payment system and business model is the real issue here, not automating spam detection? Somewhere in the process, social media has to ensure that advertisers aren't paying for bot impressions. It's not necessarily the spam itself that's the real issue.

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