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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by MichaelCollins »

bornfreddy wrote: post #91
stevekemp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run Debian on all my systems, and to be honest firefox is something I always maintain separately. /opt/firefox contains the latest binary download from the official site. The application is one that updates frequently enough that the gain is worthwhile.

This. The packages make sense for the apps that don't change frequently, but browsers don't match this description.

It's the opposite of the way things should be. Package managers should have the most utility for applications that update frequently, because isn't the raison d'etre of a package manager to make updating programs easier?

Some distros manage to get it right. I haven't had any trouble using OpenSUSE Tumbleweed's packaged Firefox.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by harel »

For the last year+ I've been thinking of moving from Ubuntu (after 17 years) and into Manjaro (arch). I even have it running on another older laptop and it's great. However, the fear of losing pace, even for a day because an unforeseen problem or missing something stops me. Ubuntu has always (mostly) just worked for me, and I know Manjaro will too but after so many years change is somewhat hard...

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by remram »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #51
smashed wrote: post #31

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My first encounter with snaps was launching gcalc, the basic built-in calculator app. At some point after an update, launching that app would take multiple seconds. How could the most basic gtk app be so slow to launch. Investigating further, I found the update had transformed the normal gcalc package into a snap, probably just to prove how great snaps could be for desktop apps? What a bad way to introduce your lates…

My last Kubuntu update (to 22.04) broke because, I think, I'd disabled snaps and the update required snap installs (including Firefox). The update had a "install snap version of Firefox" stage with the only option being OK/Yes ... so install broke. They were so up themselves that they removed the option to cancel snap install despite it not being for essential elements of the OS; I had to kill them installer. My firs…

Firefox is the only thing I had problems with, and this was quickly fixed by adding the Mozilla PPA. I haven't run into any snap problems (I apt-get purge'd snapd).

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by NegativeK »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #2

Everyday is like a new Ubuntu release on Arch Linux and in 8 years I've only had to boot into a rescue environment one time and it was due to me using a non-standard configuration.

I'm a little unclear about what you're trying to say. Is it that you've had success with rolling releases?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by acomjean »

everybodyknows wrote: post #80
CoastalCoder wrote: post #26

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> Maybe I should give Pop OS a try... I'm a big fan: it's like Ubuntu, but with much of Canonical's divisive changes reverted, and with a few other improvements. I switched from Ubuntu to Pop!_OS a few releases back when I got a System76 computer. (I also use it on my Lenovo laptop.)

Does System76 have a sustainable business? My concern would be putting time invested into their tech, then later finding support gone wrong.

They seem to. They sell computers (with Ubuntu or Pop!_OS). I'm at least the 2nd one to get one at my work (that I know of). They're not "cheap", and if you know what they are and what you are doing you could just buy a similar model for a bit less and install linux on that.(they're rebadged clevos, I've replaced a fan on one..)

But if you buy from them it comes with linux pre-installed (yeah!) which saves time and stress. It was easy and they do support you, and my 2 experiences with support where very good (Os and hardware). Plus Mat screens.

I was skeptical about yet another distro, but after using I kinda like Pop!_os despite the name. Its my daily driver now. The "Pop shop" where it does upgrades and software installs is decent enough. It seems to let me choose "flatpack (flathub)" or "debs" for most software. I haven't had any issues with either, though looking though my list its vscode and gimp which are my flatpack installs..

One great thing about Ubuntu and variants is that it’s got a lot of software that works well with it.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by remram »

stabbles wrote: post #19

I upgraded from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 recently, and am experiencing issues where Firefox feels sluggish and X hangs for a second when I type in the terminal too quickly. Makes me wanna move away from Ubuntu. Also the idea of these major updates where the package manager mutates half the filesystem for 30 minutes straight sounds like a super brittle procedure, and snaps seem to address this, except that it feels wrong…

I have this weird issue where holding volume down crashes the entire desktop. It is rather strange. No problem with other keys, no problem tapping volume down rather than holding it, no instability anywhere else that I've noticed. It is the strangest thing.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

ctoth wrote: post #148

I'm not sure precisely why, but when I first saw ads in Apt(8) I decided I wouldn't be using Ubuntu for any more personal projects. On one hand they obviously need to keep the project alive. On the other hand, putting your own ads on top of something that fundamental to the system just felt ... weird/narsty? Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done Try Ubuntu Pro beta with a free personal subscri…

Jump to Debian. It has always worked towards users' interests, and probably will continue doing that because pretty much all developers are volunteers and are running a democratically driven development process. I never understood why Ubuntu is so popular because it's 99.99% Debian, and only gives you a handful of things on top of that: predictable release schedule (which is a two-edged sword if you think about it), PPAs (same), proprietary drivers out of the box, and 10 years of support if you're willing to pay.

I remember when Mark shipped Ubuntu CDs for free to anyone who requested them. Always wanted to get one, but never did because I was able to obtain Ubuntu ISOs through other means, so it didn't feel like the right thing to do. (Although we were using dial-up up until 2008 or so.) Those times seem to have passed long ago.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by MichaelCollins »

smallerfish wrote: post #36
CoastalCoder wrote: post #26

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> Maybe I should give Pop OS a try... I'm a big fan: it's like Ubuntu, but with much of Canonical's divisive changes reverted, and with a few other improvements. I switched from Ubuntu to Pop!_OS a few releases back when I got a System76 computer. (I also use it on my Lenovo laptop.)

I wish Pop OS would tackle KDE. It's a much better DE (particularly if you like to customize), but there are very few (if any) distributions which have an opinionated tuned experience out of the box.

KDE would be superb if it weren't so buggy. KDE is aimed in the right direction, trying to do and be all the things a desktop environment should do and be. But unfortunately the implementation is frequently deficient. Even seemingly basic things frequently break, like re-applying mouse preferences when you unplug and replug your mouse: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435113

A couple more recent annoyances, of many: Plasma looks great but frequently my panels go missing and don't reappear until I restart plasma shell. Dolphin has all the functionality I want and looks great, but frequently fails to watch directories for new files, forcing me to F5. Lots of little things like this turn into death by a thousand papercuts.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by remram »

xtracto wrote: post #67
ss108 wrote: post #40

"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...

It's 2022 and you got to go through crazy hoops and loops [1] to use an Nvidia card and an Intel integrated graphics chip in a dual monitor setup. And it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if you are using Nvidia drivers. Also, I recently tried to configure "touchpad gestures" (3 and 4 finger swipes) and man it was super painful (one method doesn't work (touchegg), the other is archaic and you have to restart the OS to change any s…

I'm using 3 monitors on my Ubuntu 22.04, with the nvidia drivers that were setup by the installer. It works fine.

I'm not going for the crazy setup of your link though, where only some monitors should use the accelerated GPU. Not sure why you'd do that?

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