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Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

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Post by schwabacher »

JonnieCache wrote: post #42
scottkduncan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When presented the opportunity you chose to take a dig at Daft Punk, but not the fauxhawk? Some things I will never understand...

I was going to have a go at that as well, (mainly the word, seriously, who says fauk-hawke? ) but I thought that'd be laying it on a bit thick. The whole 'wacky french house' thing has been done better. http://soundcloud.com/para-one/canblaster-clockworks-para-on... http://soundcloud.com/panteros666/panteros666-javelin-o

I like both of those songs, but they came out 15 years after daft punk and I am sure count them as a major influence.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

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Post by hello_moto »

runjake wrote: post #29
TomOfTTB wrote: post #20

This is a good thing for Microsoft. Microsoft needs to become more outwardly focused and influential softies leaving the fold and pushing from the outside will do that. Right now the two good things Microsoft has going for it is MVC and C#. Both of which were inspired or heavily influenced by outside forces (MVC by Castle and C# 4 was influenced heavily by Python). Phil Haack moving to Github will hopefully push Micr…

> All this in turn MIGHT give Microsoft a chance at becoming relevant again in the developer space (and please don't say "a lot of people use Microsoft" because I'm one of those people and I know a lot of those people and they're all looking at their future with worried eyes) If you read the blog post of this very submission, it cites C# as #4 and climbing on the TIOBE language index. I know and work with a bunch of…

Correct me if I'm wrong since I'm no longer .NET regular (but was in the past around 2005-2007 ish).

Lately the development in .NET revolves mostly around Sharepoint (customizing), cloud deployment, and probably Dynamics AX/GP/CRM.

The era of Microsoft shops building independent products seem to slowly/gradually being phased out by the web-app shops (the SaaS type). Lately the trend for MS shops are largely around "toolkits" companies such as Telerik, DevForce, and Infragistics or the "webparts" (SharePoint) companies like Bamboo Solutions. That's pretty much it...

There might be a bunch of "worried" .NET developers that don't want to work on Sharepoint customizations. But I'm pretty sure there are plenty consultants that won't mind doing that kind of works.

But again, this is just my personal point of view.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

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Post by hello_moto »

ronnier wrote: post #88
hello_moto wrote: post #81

Let's see how long until Phil Haack enjoys the non-MS tools :) The experience so far from ex-Softie seems to suggest that people will eventually leave MS ecosystems once they're outside the company. The evolution is as follow: Cheering for MS -> Hired by MS -> Trying to change the culture -> work for a while -> leave MS -> "Hello New Tech!" PS: This isn't about good or bad.

Formerly developed at all MS shops, now at Amazon mostly doing Java with a Linux workstation. Oh words can't describe how I miss Visual Studio and responsiveness of Windows 7.

I used VS.NET 2005 back in 2007 and been doing Java + Eclipse + Maven in both Windows 7, OSX, and Linux (Ubuntu) since 2008 until today.

I also play with Ruby (and Rails as well) on my free time.

Somehow I like my current setup. Maven 2/3 is the biggest killer tool for me (aside from CLI and Eclipse). Ruby tools like gems, capistrano, rake are all awesome for me.

Eclipse has been awesome so far for me. Tons of plugins (I use checkstyle, findbugs, m2clipse, subclipse). Eclipse also comes with JUnit runner (and Git out of the box in the recent version) while VS.NET used to be lacking unless you get the top of the line (even then, you'd have to learn a lot to know how to use the VS.NET Test aspect I believe).

Everything I can do with VS.NET I can do with Eclipse. But then again I may not be very well versed in VS.NET in the past.

I've always installed Console2, Vim, and Cygwin in all of my Windows machines.

I don't know how you use Java at Amazon and to be honest, sometime it depends on the project and the culture as well. I tend to force my team to always clean up our scripts/builds to make the overall development experience enjoyable.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

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Post by MartinCron »

mythz wrote: post #79
MartinCron wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note: I never used linq-to-sql, but in my experience EF (especially with the code-first stuff) is a decent, lightweight, and highly usable.

lightweight? seriously? http://servicestack.net/benchmarks/

Seriously, it's easy to work with and doesn't get in my way. The fact that it may take a few more ms to do some things that probably aren't my bottleneck doesn't matter.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

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Post by vyrotek »

Well Phil, you'll be missed. I've been following MVC since the beginning years ago and love the direction things are going with it. I only just recently had the opportunity to jump into the world of Git.

I'm sure you'll do some much needed good out there as the "Windows Badass".

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

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Post by vyrotek »

gospelwut wrote: post #44
phatboyslim wrote: post #3

For anyone curious about any background on Phil Haack. Here are his notable accomplishments. - MS Lead on ASP.net MVC framework vers. 1 through 3 (current) - Lead on the NuGet package manager framework for Visual Studio - This Developer's Life Podcast with Scott Hanselman

I think I owe this man some kind of expensive liquor for MVC--especially MVC3. I truly loathed ASP.NET projects until MVC3. Some will argue that people use it wrong and/or the traditional Web Forms have their advantages, but I can't really think of many situations where I'd rather do it the old way.

You and me both. And I've done my part try to convert every other WebForms developer that I meet. Things are just awesome now with MVC3.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

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Post by rodh257 »

eropple wrote: post #68
MartinCron wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why I use hg instead of git. I totally see where you're coming from, and I personally think hg is great. I just don't want your comment to scare windows developers off. For the record: running git on windows is great.

Disagree. It's gotten better, but the tooling is awkward, the commonly used UI (TortoiseGit) is wonky, and not being a "native citizen" on the OS isn't acceptable--MSYS is a mess to have around on a Windows machine and even the "minimal subset" that you can install with Git is more than I consider acceptable. (I realize that entirely too much of Git is UNIX-based plumbing, but that's their problem.) I gave Git anothe…

Have you tried GitExtensions at all? GUI client that integrates with Explorer and visual studio.

Re: Phil Haack quit Microsoft for GitHub

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Post by scq »

bradwestness wrote: post #64

I really hope this leads to better Git tools for Windows developers. I've attempted to host several C# projects on GitHub in the past, but I always end up giving up and using either CodePlex or BitBucket because it's so much easier to get up and running with HG and SVN. Edit: Git tools, not GitHub tools.

Try TortoiseGit. It's like TortoiseSVN, but for Git.
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