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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Ubuntu seems to be doing a speedrun of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Microsoft will buy Canonical before the decade is out is my thought. Then shall there be two distros of IBM and Microsoft, grinning at each other across a dead land filled with rottenness.

I think this is very likely. They bought Lennart, and Github, afterall.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

My main gripe with Snap was the loss of configuration whenever it decided to update a package on its own. Imagine running OwnCloud as a Snap and losing all metadata when OwnCloud updated itself for some reason.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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I looked for the 22.10 download a few hours ago and didn't see it so I did a Google search and found today's comment about it possibly being delayed: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1436351/when-will-ubuntu-22-...

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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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I also use Ubuntu a lot, and while I'm disappointed about this Snap thing, I'm still not looking for alternatives. At least until 22.04 I could dodge snaps pretty easily, but now, since Firefox is now a snap package, things went worse, at least for me. I gave it a try and, while the experience was not as bad as I feared, I soon encountered problems with things like trying to use a smartcard reader for signing documen…

I just switched to Chrome, it's available as a .deb from Google.

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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

I've been on Ubuntu 22.04 for a few weeks now, and every now and then Firefox will create a popup notification that says "Firefox needs to be closed to update (12 days left)". When I close it and re-open, Firefox is still not updated. Even when I go to the Software Center and update all apps, it apparently doesn't update snaps.

I'm not entirely sure if Firefox is updateable via the UI. It's truly awful; and that's coming from an Ubuntu lover.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

Firefox is a particularly interesting case because it has a bunch of issues that only exist when it's installed via snap. I just recently ripped out the default snap version and installed via the official PPA, and Firefox seems to be running much smoother now.

For basically any app I use that's installed via snap, I eventually run into a gamebreaking issue and have to remove the snap version and find a normal .deb to install from. Whether it's customization issues (setting up custom fonts in VS Code didn't work) or stability issues (the tab bar in Firefox windows freezing up), there always seems to be some kind of problem

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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can you use Flatpack for command line apps yet?

Flatpak is focused on GUI apps only, for CLI apps you'd use whatever you're used to.

What makes a GUI app worth containerizing and CLI tools not worth containerizing?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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>less I need to boot into Windows to play PC games the better. Hard to give up smoking with a pack in your pocket.

not gonna get an argument from me there, but I have over 1000 steam games

In my opinion, it's probably better to stick with windows until the drawbacks of running windows outweigh the meaningful percentage of those 1000+ games you still play.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

> one of the primary points of containerization is the ability to have multiple copies of an application running in parallel using different "application images". One should be able to upgrade (i.e. install a new image in parallel to the old one) without disrupting existing execution environments.

Would you like to run a completely new Firefox with a completely new profile whenever you update it? You do know that you can't use the same profile even with the same version of Firefox in two separate Firefox instances concurrently, right? If the updater was aware of snap and snap aware of the application it's updating, you could have a graceful update procedure that serializes the current state and reloads the new container, but that's a lot of hoops to jump through, and the jumping must be coordinated between multiple stakeholders.

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