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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by pantalaimon »

ss108 wrote: post #77
pantalaimon wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running 4 monitors without any issue…

My cofounder is as well, on Xubuntu. Meanwhile, I've had multiple issues getting just 2 to work across years of using Ubuntu (there was a good few year span when I didn't have to fiddle with anything and it did just work). Recently, I had a second monitor running with my Ubuntu installation, but one day the monitor stopped working, and the next I couldn't build JS projects without running the command as root (?!). Sw…

> next I couldn't build JS projects without running the command as root

I don't see how Ubuntu would be responsible for that, sounds like PEBCAK to me

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by akvadrako »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

You don't have to use Snap at all. I've been using latest Ubuntu for a few years and I just uninstall it after every major upgrade.

I do use flatpak for a lot of stuff, but it's better than Snap in many ways: it's faster, you can upgrade while apps are running, it allows third party repos, etc...

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by jcastro »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #86
lostdog wrote: post #48

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Flatpack already existing, and snap makes programs take 30x as long to run.

can you use Flatpack for command line apps yet?

Flatpak is focused on GUI apps only, for CLI apps you'd use whatever you're used to.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by dev_daftly »

smallerfish wrote: post #36
CoastalCoder wrote: post #26

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> Maybe I should give Pop OS a try... I'm a big fan: it's like Ubuntu, but with much of Canonical's divisive changes reverted, and with a few other improvements. I switched from Ubuntu to Pop!_OS a few releases back when I got a System76 computer. (I also use it on my Lenovo laptop.)

I wish Pop OS would tackle KDE. It's a much better DE (particularly if you like to customize), but there are very few (if any) distributions which have an opinionated tuned experience out of the box.

They are transitioning COSMIC from gnome to be it's own standalone DE built on rust

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by pmontra »

aliqot wrote: post #23
abvavgjeremy wrote: post #20

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Same, but I went with Debian as I wanted to stay in the .deb world.

Let me start by saying Debian rolling release is the truth. That being said, I worry about the archaic community and contributor-tooling behind debian to be a barrier that will lead to its demise though. Makes me sad, but it is what it is. We are all getting old, and to us this interface looks normal, but to new people and those making the apps that the kids depend on, it looks like a shitshow of antiquated code. Nob…

AUR? Is that Arch User Repository (just googled it up) or something else?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by umvi »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I use OpenSUSE Tumbleweed which is also rolling release, and the one thing that bugs me is that sometimes your tools are so cutting edge that it makes it hard to get older stuff. For example it's super easy to get python 3.10 working in Tumbleweed but super hard to get python 3.6 working.

I needed specifically Python 3.6 to test something, and man that was hard to get working in Tumbleweed. First of all, it is not available in standard repos or pre-built on python's website. Second of all, downloading 3.6 source and building it fails because (apparently) the GCC version I have is too new and creates problems with the `-O3` flag passed during building. So now I have to install an older version of GCC that plays nice with python 3.6 source code...

Eventually I just said "screw it" and used the docker python:3.6 image. Not quite as convenient as having a native python3.6, but "good enough". Not sure what I would do if that image became unavailable.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by CoastalCoder »

everybodyknows wrote: post #80
CoastalCoder wrote: post #26

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> Maybe I should give Pop OS a try... I'm a big fan: it's like Ubuntu, but with much of Canonical's divisive changes reverted, and with a few other improvements. I switched from Ubuntu to Pop!_OS a few releases back when I got a System76 computer. (I also use it on my Lenovo laptop.)

Does System76 have a sustainable business? My concern would be putting time invested into their tech, then later finding support gone wrong.

I have no idea how healthy System76 is, but at least for my work, I could pretty trivially revert to Ubuntu if I needed to.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by rcthompson »

akvadrako wrote: post #102
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

You don't have to use Snap at all. I've been using latest Ubuntu for a few years and I just uninstall it after every major upgrade. I do use flatpak for a lot of stuff, but it's better than Snap in many ways: it's faster, you can upgrade while apps are running, it allows third party repos, etc...

They make it nearly impossible to avoid snap. Every couple of upgrades, they unconditionally run a script that forcibly removes the Firefox deb and installs the snap. Nothing I've tried has been able to prevent this. It seems to be hard coded somewhere.

So it's kind of like saying "well you don't have to stay in the pit" except you keep pushing me in the pit every time I climb out.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by hn2017 »

fulafel wrote: post #63

The regular as clockwork bi-yearly releases are one of the best things about Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the default supported Linux laptop/desktop env in so many tech orgs. If you use Ubuntu and want to help ensure it works for your env remember to test the upcoming release alphas / betas eg with USB boot stick and file bugs on Launchpad if you notice something broken. (Same goes for other distros your org may use, eg Debian,…

Not sure why your downvoted. Ubuntu has been fairly reliable for years

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by mike256 »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I switched to Debian. Still able to use most of the debs but without those Snaps.
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