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Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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A lot of it is theatre. For example keir starmer congratulating boris on the birth of his child, i think, and sounding sincere. Then pretty much in the same breath, he lashes out at him on some policy or scandal. English people banter a lot more then americans, so its not taken personally.

I mean, given you example I think Keir congratulating Boris was the actual piece of theatre.

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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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For all parliament's faults, it's still largely populated by well educated, intelligent individuals who are skilled orators and debaters. Even some of the most awful parliamentarians would easily talk circles around me in any kind of debate. For anyone not aware, a large number of our politicians come from a background at public schools such as Eton, and read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford. Institutions…

I don’t know much about UK politics but why can’t you guys get Kemi Badenoch elected? She is younger and did not go to Oxford. Try something different. Maybe Oxford is overrated:)

She's on the right wing of the ring wing party in the UK, so she's likely not a good candidate for a general election where you need at least some centerist support. This is likely why Labour are doing well with Kier Starmer as he's palitable enough for modorate Tories to vote for.

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This might sound crazy... but if the UK is already de facto ruled by financial markets, in the sense that the PM has to step down if the markets don't like what they're doing, maybe it's time to try prediction market-based governance for real? What would've happened if instead of simply announcing the proposal, Truss had described the proposal and the government had sponsored a conditional prediction market on the ec…

This is an interesting idea. Although if anyone has enough money to single-handedly move the market price, it devolves into a dictatorship of that person.

Presumably in a prediction market you're only being paid out if you were right. Someone who sways the market significantly and then ends up being wrong will lose a lot of money.

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He doesn't have any authority, in practice. It has been that way since 1414. The second the monarchy tried to exert control over politics would be the second it was abolished.

did you perhaps mean 1914? i’m not a historian but i DID watch Hamilton a few times and it really seemed like King George had quite a lot of power and authority…

Particularly since Elisabeth I came long after that date. It’s definitely not 1414.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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For all parliament's faults, it's still largely populated by well educated, intelligent individuals who are skilled orators and debaters. Even some of the most awful parliamentarians would easily talk circles around me in any kind of debate. For anyone not aware, a large number of our politicians come from a background at public schools such as Eton, and read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford. Institutions…

I don’t know much about UK politics but why can’t you guys get Kemi Badenoch elected? She is younger and did not go to Oxford. Try something different. Maybe Oxford is overrated:)

Why? She's a Brexiteer running on an "anti-woke" platform, we need more serious people instead.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Nicola Sturgeon said that she detests the Tories. her own party (the Scottish National Party, whose central goal is Scottish independence) distanced themselves from those comments. Labour are not saying things like this. the Lib Dems are not saying things like this. and the Tories themselves aren’t saying things like this either this is the exception not the rule, and as evidence of this, it’s something that’s been t…

> Labour are not saying things like this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/26/angela-rayn...

the first paragraph of that article:

>the Labour leader distanced himself from her words

you’ve cherrypicked two examples that were disregarded by the parties as a whole, then discussed ad nauseam in the media. this is not evidence of anything

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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An obvious fall guy. Rather shameful maneuver.

That is what I was thinking. Was she worse than Boris or is it just sexism? Edit: I'm sure objectively she was bad, but yeah.

Not just sexism. I mean, I'm sure it doesn't help but the UK has had many important female politicians, and will have more, it's just that XX doesn't magically make you competent.

Boris knew the facts and lied about them. He knew where he was last Wednesday (in your bed, fucking your wife) and he's got enough smarts to figure out that a confident lie about having to work late will help him. That's not a great feature in a leader, but hey, he's at least got some idea what's going on. A liar, a cheat, a real piece of shit, but not the least competent person ever to be elected.

Liz has no idea what the facts are, and seems oblivious. Where was she last Wednesday? She's hoping you will remember because she already forgot. Why did her own constituents elect her? What was she running against? Was it the lettuce?

Why can't the Tory party do better, that's the real question. How is it that Liz Truss was on offer to the party members as Prime Minister in the first place ? They only have to send two candidates. Send two serious options, if you can't do that, why are you pretending to be a party of government?

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No "Public Schools" in the UK refers to a very specific subset of fee-paying schools mentioned in the Public Schools Act of 1868 (sometimes informally includes a couple of others). Private Schools are the other fee-paying schools. What a non-Brit might think of as "public" schools are actually called "state" schools in the UK

The way I explain it to American friends is that any member of the public, if they have £45,000+ per year to spare, can send their son to Eton. Simple.

Only if the child in question is male.

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So all the names of PMs you mentioned bar one went to Oxford...

Considering the LAST FOUR PMs came from the Conservative party, that's not the epic own you think it is.

I wasn't trying to do an "epic own" and it sounds like you're implying I'm a Tory which is very funny :)

edit: oh lol I get it now, in the post I replied to you're doing a very literal interpretation of "they all went to the same schools" and refusing to interpret this as it's very clearly intended (that a huge amount of MPs went to a couple of schools)

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post #273

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For all parliament's faults, it's still largely populated by well educated, intelligent individuals who are skilled orators and debaters. Even some of the most awful parliamentarians would easily talk circles around me in any kind of debate. For anyone not aware, a large number of our politicians come from a background at public schools such as Eton, and read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford. Institutions…

Did you mean private schools? Public school education in the UK is quite problematic.

en-US "public school" is en-GB "state school".
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