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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by mantas » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

vanviegen wrote: post #83

mantas wrote: post #71

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It's the same in many other countries. They just ain't that big and language barrier prevents from looking deeper into BS that is going on there. Overall the issue is that this career route does not pay well. E.g. in my country a mid-level developer earns as much as parliament member. Specialised constructions workers can make as much too. Why the hell would you pursue career in politics if you can easily make as cus…

The reason for that used to be idealism. But I guess that's no longer in vogue.

I'm not sure if it's pure idealism. It feels like in previous era politicians much more prestigious career. And people were valuing prestige over €€€ much more.

Sort of like clothing. Now people want to be comfy and go in tshirts. Previously people were much more invested in community functions.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by lordnacho » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

raesene9 wrote: post #19

What happens next will be interesting . At this point, a general election would be the obviously correct solution. It's clear that the conservative party don't have a platform and can't agree major policy points amongst themselves. However that would require conservative MPs to vote for it, which is the turkeys voting for Christmas so unlikely to happen, so I'd expect we'll have to wait till 2024 for that election. T…

Cynical but I think it's worth considering that the last couple of PMs to leave might have been offered a comfortable retirement by people around the party in order to not call an election. Not in the "here's a bag of money" sense but pretty close, as in "listen I'll make sure you'll always be on the after dinner circuit".

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by KptMarchewa » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

rwmj wrote: post #108

akudha wrote: post #45

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Britain, Brazil, Australia, Philippines, India, Turkey, U.S … it is mind numbing that of all the good, talented people these countries have, only the dumbest, worst of the worst end up in positions of power. Depressing. At this point, we can just randomly pick a citizen to be President or PM. We might have better chances that way

The countries you name mostly have variations of the flawed first past the post voting system.

Poland and Hungary don't, yet fuckers rule them.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by stormbrew » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

coldpie wrote: post #121

samwillis wrote: post #47

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I think whoever is elected as the next Conservative leader needs to call a general election immediately. There is no mandate for a government formed by yet another Tory leader. The world is such a different place to 2019, there is no way they can argue that they are a continuation of the previous mandate.

Do I understand correctly that you're saying the people who control the gov't right now should choose to call an early election that they're almost certainly going to lose? That seems unlikely.

Historically in Westminster systems that hasn't actually been that unusual when the majority party has lost as much public trust as this one seems to have. At a certain point, presiding over an unpopular rump can be more damaging in the long term than letting go and regrouping.

That doesn't seem to be the way current conservative parties operate though.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by timst4 » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

Yizahi wrote: post #97

So the Supply Side Jesus loses once again. But he will be back again the next season :) https://imgur.com/gallery/bCqRp

I enjoyed seeing that Al Franken was the writer of this. Platinum level satire it is.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by bb123 » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #164

evgen wrote: post #114

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Technically speaking, King Charles III does not actually need to PM to ask in order to dismiss parliament and force a new election. Given that Charles I and Charles II both dismissed parliament maybe Charles III will grow a pair and do the same. It is somewhat ironic that while dismissing parliament caused the downfall of the monarchy for Charles I is it likely to buy a significant amount of time for the monarchy if…

Is it only me who thinks it's crazy that in modern world some guy with birth right have the authority over entire western country? So much for democracy.

He doesn't have any authority, in practice. It has been that way since 1414. The second the monarchy tried to exert control over politics would be the second it was abolished.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by cameronh90 » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #11

Can anyone explain why??

Every day that politics has been operating since she took office has been one crisis after another. The first disaster was the mini budget that everyone pointed out and how poorly it was handled, but the nail in the coffin was the chaos in parliament yesterday.

In short, the opposition called a vote on fracking, which is supported by Truss' "pro growth" government, but was opposed in the conservative manifesto. The government declared that anyone who voted against the government (and for what they promised to their constituents when they were elected) would be kicked out of the party. MPs who then tried to vote against the government were reportedly manhandled and assaulted to force them to vote with the government.

There is a whole load of other chaos that happened in the last 24hrs that was just ultimately impossible to recover from.

I think the last 24hr has just proved even to her final supporters that she is completely incapable of leading a government.

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

hairofadog wrote: post #90

I know this topic is important in substance and the thing I'm about to say is an aesthetic issue, but as an American watching this unfold I have admired the Brits for the sense of heart that still seems to be present in their politics. I'm referring to the parliamentary sessions in which, even though they're savagely roasting each other, they're doing in a way that feels somehow good-hearted and doesn't lay bare the…

One of my favorite C-Span shows was The Prime Minister's Questions[0].

Don't mess with British politicians. Even the grumpiest old dogs can savage most American politicians, as the folks that tried roasting Galloway found out[1].

[0] https://www.c-span.org/series/?PrimeMinisterQue

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5u1skEoqLs

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by tomp » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

Gordonjcp wrote: post #101

raesene9 wrote: post #19

What happens next will be interesting . At this point, a general election would be the obviously correct solution. It's clear that the conservative party don't have a platform and can't agree major policy points amongst themselves. However that would require conservative MPs to vote for it, which is the turkeys voting for Christmas so unlikely to happen, so I'd expect we'll have to wait till 2024 for that election. T…

This will be the fourth unelected PM in six years (okay, Boris Johnson did actually win a GE after being foisted upon us, if you think that counts). It's time for an early General Election. This lot need to go. Every trace of the Tories must be obliterated. The hilarious part is, the way that polling stands right now, a General Election would result in a strong Labour majority with the Scottish National Party in oppo…

> It's time for an early General Election. Every trace of the Tories must be obliterated.

Sounds like completely unbiased opinion. /s

More seriously, I'm only interested in hearing the arguments for a general election from nominal conservative (Tory) supporters. All arguments from leftists are just "we want to win" in disguise so are completely untrustworthy.

From what I understand of UK politics, Johnson won the last election on policy (he was already PM) and lost his seat because of COVID shenanigans so presumably the Tories still have public mandate to continue the same policies (maybe not the Lizz agenda though).

Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister

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Post by martopix » Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

bsenftner wrote: post #46

raesene9 wrote: post #19

What happens next will be interesting . At this point, a general election would be the obviously correct solution. It's clear that the conservative party don't have a platform and can't agree major policy points amongst themselves. However that would require conservative MPs to vote for it, which is the turkeys voting for Christmas so unlikely to happen, so I'd expect we'll have to wait till 2024 for that election. T…

Every time I think the USA is completely ruined, I remember how much worse the citizens of the UK have it. I remote worked for a London based CTO for years, with a science Phd, and to hear him discuss UK politics gave me an insight how effective propaganda and being immersed in a culture impacts one's judgement.

Uhm, what? I think UK politics is pretty sane actually. It has a lot of problems, but definitely not this almost civil-war-like type of language that you have in the USA. And although the UK is getting worse and worse, there are European countries that still have a worse political environment.