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Re: An account was suspended

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Post by impossiblefork »

Zak wrote: post #18

I suspect this kind of problem is unavoidable when a large fraction of the world uses a centralized many-to-many communication platform. Moderation is always going to be a cost center for such a platform and there's a big gap between good enough moderation to prevent a mass exodus and what most of us would likely call good . Using decentralized tools might improve the situation.

It doesn't need to be centralized though, and I think centralization is the cause of both the moral problems (political bans, censorship, etc.) and the difficulties running these things.

Without centralization it's just some kind of trust network, and since the messages are open it's a much easier problem to filter away unwanted material than to deal with things like e-mail spam.

The reason people don't is simply that they want power over political discourse, so they accept what part of these problems are problems for them and are then happy for the other problems.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by [deleted] »

hotpotamus wrote: post #49
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no such thing as appropriate moderation at Twitter scale. It's societal techology we as humans do not have. Underlying moderation is some shared vision of decency - morality claims that should be enforced via justice. These claims certainly don't exist across nation borders, and they barely exist within a given nation's borders. The bot moderation conundrum is a wholly second moderation question layered on to…

I feel like if you changed to word goon to police, it would change the tone of your last paragraph a bit, though not the idea. This is a good summary of how I've come to feel about the subject.

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Re: An account was suspended

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Post by tb_technical »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #42
andirk wrote: post #22

I commented on a Fauci video where he said every1 will likely eventually be exposed to the virus. I said "and eventually we will all die" which was marked as misinformation and I was cancelled.

Personally, I think this might have been the right decision, though not for the reason given. If you remove accounts of people who frequently do not contribute anything useful to discussions, you'll get overall better discussions.

The same could be said for your contributions, and in my enlightened post-truth regime people like you would be the foundation of my new space program.

You would be enlisted (by force) to be the first astronauts to visit the sun.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by o_1 »

andirk wrote: post #22

I commented on a Fauci video where he said every1 will likely eventually be exposed to the virus. I said "and eventually we will all die" which was marked as misinformation and I was cancelled.

Your comment was obviously sarcastic. It's wrong to say "Good, I'm glad your bad joke got you canceled". Speech being at the behest of bad AI is no excuse especially in something considered a platform. Twitter is a joke, their auto-moderation showcases how bad their current engineering is.

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by dimitrios1 »

luckylion wrote: post #61
dimitrios1 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a false choice. If your customers are somewhere, you could be there too, and that often has the least amount of friction or is the easiest choice, so it's understandable why so many people elect to do it. But another thing you could do is bring them to where you are.

If your business outreach succeeding requires you to first convince people that they should stop using some platform that is important to them, you might as well give up on your original business because you're probably going to spend all your time on that effort.

What if I told you I own a bookstore?

Re: An account was suspended

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Post by lapcat »

rfrey wrote: post #87
lapcat wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem at its core is that Twitter refuses to hire appropriate levels of moderation staff for the scale it has I don't believe that anyone could moderate at Twitter's scale. More than 500 million tweets are published per day . How do you moderate that? It's like bringing an umbrella to a tsunami. Not to mention, Reddit moderation is crap. I've tried to use Reddit several times but gave up each time, because my…

The important thing is that humans review algorithmic bans, not review every tweet.

That's still a huge number.

Twitter doesn't make enough revenue to hire enough people to do that intelligently.

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