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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by norwalkbear »

mcluck wrote: post #274
matsemann wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I'm not "rewarding the post with hundred of points", but I've upvoted because I share the sentiment and want JetBrains to really consider each change they make: Is it for change's sake, or because it's actually better ?

What makes you think that they haven't already considered it? It's rather offensive to assume that a group of UX professionals decided to take on a massive overhaul just for fun. Given UX has never been a major priority at JetBrains, it implies that they decided it was valuable enough to spend the time and money on this. I just can't imagine this was done on a whim

Why do you defer automatically to authority?

It's not offensive to question it, and you trying to police people with legitimate grievance is disgusting.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by selcuka »

djha-skin wrote: post #3

Obligatory xkcd reference to "UI Change": https://xkcd.com/1770/ JetBrains is obviously becoming more like VS Code here so that they aren't edged out of the market. "Copy your competitors". Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable because UI changes are annoying. However we have to see things from JetBrain's perspective. They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly d…

> They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly decreasing being taken by VS Code.

That doesn't make any sense. If they start looking like VS Code I would switch to the (free) VS Code as there is no point in paying for (almost) the same experience.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by neilpanchal »

lucideer wrote: post #400
neilpanchal wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think these are reasons why UI has regressed continually in last 10-15 years. No one speaks up. Usually casted as “UI always changes, get used to it. Grumpy people will complain for any change. See Gmail.” I can understand why Apple changes UI: it’s a luxury/fashion company that makes computers and phones. But a professional tool needs to follow UI changes that are not justified beyond flimsy reasons? Used by milli…

I agree with everything you said, but I don't see how it's relevant to my comment, unless you misread me? UI in general is regressed continually - completely agree with you there, yes. The article however is specifically about Jetbrains. Jetbrains may be regressing their UI. Perhaps someone should spend some time looking at Jetbrains' new UIs and analyse whether it does in fact constitute yet another example of regre…

Feedback noted, I don't think the new JetBrains UI is out for testing. I need to find time to write an extremely detailed post mortem of a user interface gone wrong. I did one for Apple a while ago although not as detailed as I'd like: https://neil.computer/notes/apple-ux-ui-is-regressing/ and another rant on Google's mute button: https://neil.computer/notes/oh-sorry-i-was-on-mute/.

More spanking is needed, there cannot be enough.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by easton »

GordonS wrote: post #249
9dev wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do that, I’m playing with it now. Have a look at Jetbrains Gateway: https://www.jetbrains.com/remote-development/gateway/

Does it work with Rider yet? At launch it didn't, something to do with Rider using (or not, I forget!) an out of process language server.

It’s supposed to work (like, it’s an option in Rider’s project selection), but it can’t find MSBuild in the WSL. I’m guessing you’d have better luck if you just spun up a normal Linux VM though.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by adl »

drewpc wrote: post #345

I see your points and understand the frustration. The minor changes over the years haven't bothered me too much. What really messed with me was when the commit pop-up (with diffs) was changed to a tab, nestled in the same space as my files. Nooooooooo! I want the pop-up. I want to know that this is different from what I was doing before.

You can change it back. Go to Preferences -> Version Control -> Commit -> Use non-modal commit interface.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by adl »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #322
toxicFork wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangent: I am traveling at the moment and I miss my second monitor a lot. It's like saying you don't need toilets when you can dig a hole in the ground and use leaves to wipe instead of toilet paper.

You've not optimised your workflow for your environment, but instead it's the fault of the tools given to you for being too primitive? Come on.

Virtual Desktops are not a substitute to multiple monitors. With multiple monitors you can have several full screen windows open at the same time. Like coding in your main screen and seeing documentation/web browser in the other.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by lucideer »

neilpanchal wrote: post #403
lucideer wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with everything you said, but I don't see how it's relevant to my comment, unless you misread me? UI in general is regressed continually - completely agree with you there, yes. The article however is specifically about Jetbrains. Jetbrains may be regressing their UI. Perhaps someone should spend some time looking at Jetbrains' new UIs and analyse whether it does in fact constitute yet another example of regre…

Feedback noted, I don't think the new JetBrains UI is out for testing. I need to find time to write an extremely detailed post mortem of a user interface gone wrong. I did one for Apple a while ago although not as detailed as I'd like: https://neil.computer/notes/apple-ux-ui-is-regressing/ and another rant on Google's mute button: https://neil.computer/notes/oh-sorry-i-was-on-mute/ . More spanking is needed, there ca…

fwiw, those are both excellent articles & the macos notifications I found especially infuriating.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by philliphaydon »

adl wrote: post #406
philliphaydon wrote: post #171

I absolutely love the new UI. The only thing I want to change is reduce the font sizes by 1 or 2 sizes then it would be perfect for me.

You can change the UI font size in: Preferences -> Appearance & Behavior -> Appearance -> Use Custom Font | Size

That doesn't actually work tho, it doesn't scale the UI. It just reduces the font-size :(

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by ColonelPhantom »

the__alchemist wrote: post #333

My JB Elephant-in-the-room is the awful performance. I'm complaining instead of having switched, since I haven't found anything and powerful for multi-file projects in Rust, and Python. I find myself, more and more, opening files in Sublime and managing the files manually when PyCharm+Rust Plugin is behaving especially badly. Restarting PyCharm often helps, short-term.

For Rust, any LSP-supporting editor with rust-analyzer should be giving a great experience. Not sure what you mean by "multi-file" projects, but RA handles a normal crate with multiple modules perfectly fine.
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