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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by baseballdork »

addicted wrote: post #284
leereeves wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a comment on your obfuscating language: lethal injection is also a medical procedure. Abortion is a complex issue that should be discussed honestly, not obfuscated.

Lethal injection is not a medical procedure. If it was a medical procedure it wouldn’t make the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure. Just because a procedure involves injecting chemicals in someone’s body doesn’t mean it’s medical. And abortion is not a complex issue. The only arguments against it are religious and there are religions which require it, so in a purportedly secular…

> If it was a medical procedure it wouldn’t make the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure.

Would you consider donating a kidney to be a medical procedure?

> And abortion is not a complex issue.

I am super pro-choice, but this is a silly statement. Just go ask a bunch of pro-choice people at what point they believe abortion is wrong and you'll get a whole bunch of different answers.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by goodpoint »

dane-pgp wrote: post #350
goodpoint wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Debian supports Secure Boot, and that means anybody can add their own signing key and sign and boot their own kernel, packages and everything else. As long as users can update the signing keys it's all good. If not, it's tivoization, and it breaches GPL.

> anybody can add their own signing key That's assuming the hardware supports it. I'm imagining a (very likely) world where devices will either no longer support self-generated keys, or where using such keys makes your device unable to access the mobile network or the internet. (The latter sort of device might in theory be buildable, and run Debian just fine, but I don't think it would have enough buyers for a manufa…

> Contracts (and software licences) cannot override the law

I never said they could.

> If a government wants to ban self-generated keys (and/or make anti-Tivoization clauses unenforceable), then it can easily do so

Wrong. That would require abandoning copyright enforcement.

Tivoization breaches the GPL. When a license is in breach, integrators, developers and users have no right to use such software.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by dane-pgp »

goodpoint wrote: post #352
dane-pgp wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> anybody can add their own signing key That's assuming the hardware supports it. I'm imagining a (very likely) world where devices will either no longer support self-generated keys, or where using such keys makes your device unable to access the mobile network or the internet. (The latter sort of device might in theory be buildable, and run Debian just fine, but I don't think it would have enough buyers for a manufa…

> Contracts (and software licences) cannot override the law I never said they could. > If a government wants to ban self-generated keys (and/or make anti-Tivoization clauses unenforceable), then it can easily do so Wrong. That would require abandoning copyright enforcement. Tivoization breaches the GPL. When a license is in breach, integrators, developers and users have no right to use such software.

> That would require abandoning copyright enforcement.

Who do you think writes copyright laws?

Obviously I'm not suggesting a government would just abandon the entire concept of copyright, but it could amend its copyright law to say that a copyright holder cannot claim (in court) that their proprietary rights were breached solely due to a defendant applying "security measures" to prevent software tampering.

That would be grossly unfair to people whose code is then used in ways that go against their wishes, but government policies don't have to be fair. (For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not accusing you of saying that they have to be fair, I'm just providing some obvious context to help make my position clearer to anyone reading this).

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by jonplackett »

vgg222 wrote: post #255
jonplackett wrote: post #150

Surly these permissions aren’t actually possible on iPhone? Apps can’t access other apps even with permission, or disable the lock screen etc.

You can track location in iPhone too, what's different?

Tracking location isn't what this is saying - it's saying you're giving them access to EVERYTHING on your phone - all the apps, all the data.

Yeah, sharing location's not great, but you have to accept that if you're connecting to cell towers they pretty much know where you are all the time anyway.

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