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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by dane-pgp »

8organicbits wrote: post #139
PaulRobinson wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paper tickets can be resold into the tout/scalper market. Electronic tickets can't. That's a nice feature for FIFA.

It seems like it adds a barrier, but wouldn't the scalpers just sell phones with the app and ticket loaded? Old Android phones are quite cheap.

For countries that already require you to register SIM cards with your government ID, I wouldn't be surprised if one day they require that all phones be biometrically locked to their owner.

When producing a QR code, the signature could include the date that the QR code was generated, and the date that the phone was biometrically linked to the user (signed by a device-specific key in the secure enclave, itself signed by the manufacturer's key).

Venues could then require that you were using a phone that had been soul-bound to you since before the tickets were first available for purchase.

(For the avoidance of doubt, what I'm describing here is the basis of an Orwellian dystopia, not something that I think should ever be implemented.)

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by lmz »

onethought wrote: post #111
colordrops wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does being similar excuse it somehow? Behavior by customs at the US border is abhorrent as well.

Yes. I think it does excuse it. If the US does X and expects everyone to accept it. Then Country Y doing X is excused… how else could it be? Any other way leads to disadvantage of Country Y

Applying this logic to X="wiping out its native population and taking their land" and Y=China just gets me downvotes around here sadly

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by dane-pgp »

lmz wrote: post #252
onethought wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I think it does excuse it. If the US does X and expects everyone to accept it. Then Country Y doing X is excused… how else could it be? Any other way leads to disadvantage of Country Y

Applying this logic to X="wiping out its native population and taking their land" and Y=China just gets me downvotes around here sadly

The original point was that if a country is doing something now, that can be an excuse for another country doing the same thing now.

If you want to extend your excuse to "a country did something bad 50 / 100 / 500 / 1000 years ago (and later regretted it)" then you need to provide extra reasoning for why that still works as an excuse for what a country is doing now.

Edit: I'm guessing from the downvotes that I didn't make my comment clear enough (or I didn't understand the comment I was responding to). My intent was to point out the logical gap in an argument that could be seen as justifying China's genocidal policies.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by JCharante »

sofixa wrote: post #145
Gatsky wrote: post #110

I really would like to know how Qatar got the World Cup… it can’t have been legitimate, it’s just got so many obvious disadvantages… For example, it’s too hot to host it in summer as usual, so it’s in the northern hemisphere winter, which interrupts all the leagues.

Bribes, some of which came out and are currently under investigation/prosecution. Other reasons why it's a terrible idea: they have a small population, little football culture (in terms of absolute size), no infrastructure (all the stadia are newly built and some will be demolished afterwards; there aren't enough hotels); they have many laws incompatible with what usually happens at World Cups. There literally isn't…

Qatar has a pretty good airport with an extremely convenient location (more than 80% of the world population live within a 6 hour flight)

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by vgg222 »

yosito wrote: post #56

It seems like owning an iPhone is a good way to protect yourself from a lot of this. But if you're an Android user, couldn't you buy a burner phone for these two apps, to avoid installing them on your primary phone? I don't think I would trust a device that ever had these apps installed.

You can track location in iPhone too, so that's no different.

The only permission that is problematic is the storage access one, but that too has been addressed in later Android versions with scoped storage.

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Post by BoorishBears »

omnimus wrote: post #127
PaulRobinson wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paper tickets can be resold into the tout/scalper market. Electronic tickets can't. That's a nice feature for FIFA.

You would be surprised how well app screenshot in full screen with the qr code works. Seen this many times with covid vaccination passes.

Doesn't work for these tickets since they're generating new underlying values as time passes.

Even Costco has self-modifying barcodes now, so covid vaccination passes are behind on the times.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by colinsane »

> This means that if you want to go to the WC, you have no choice. This is a mandatory app, with no options.

it’s fashionable to make the case against tech by arguing the privacy angle. i sometimes wish we could raise the discussion one level of abstraction and speak about control more broadly (privacy being the control over which information you make public). you can make this app as private as you want, but i’d still be upset that its mandatory use is contradictory to my desire for agency.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by Mordisquitos »

Ekaros wrote: post #84

Every country should have rights to control what enters their borders. Be it phones or people. Nothing unreasonable here considering the existing standards of border control around the world. Just next logical step to prevent terrorism and undesirable activities. Don't like it, don't go.

One has to wonder, if Qatar is so afraid of terrorists and undesirables coming into them from abroad that they feel the need to have as much control as possible over their personal data and communications, why did Qatar want to host a global event in the first place?
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