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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by themitigating »

quetzthecoatl wrote: post #61
themitigating wrote: post #46

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He's right about the whataboutism though.

he is right, but raising whataboutism isn't an argument. It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations. Otherwise, it's a race to make the accusations and the first one wins - everyone else is whataboutism. You can easily see who came up with the inane whatboutism - the one who did a whole lot of crimes in the past, and wants to judge others now for similar crimes.

" It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations."

What has this parent done that makes them ineligible to criticize others?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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llanowarelves wrote: post #106
quetzthecoatl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he is right, but raising whataboutism isn't an argument. It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations. Otherwise, it's a race to make the accusations and the first one wins - everyone else is whataboutism. You can easily see who came up with the inane whatboutism - the one who did a whole lot of crimes in the past, and wants to judge others now for similar crimes.

Yep. It's an inversion so that you're the bad guy for taking a look at the ledger you both (implicitly or explicitly) agreed to use. Variations of: "Hey can I get back that $50 I lent you? I always pay you back and thought we had a mutual understanding, what gives?" "Nice whataboutism, quit trying to make it about me."

You example doesn't make sense for this situation. It's between two people and things they did. However, The OP isn't the US government and hasn't committed war crimes (I assume).

Also your example isn't even whataboutism which is defined as "the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue."

What other accusation or difficult question is being raised in your example? It's person A asking for money he lent to person B back and pointing out what when person B lent him money he paid it back.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by Ekaros »

themitigating wrote: post #119
Ekaros wrote: post #95

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It is. I could see point if the people from USA seriously cleaned their own house before attacking others. Anything else comes out just as malicious. Maybe they should start with privacy for everyone and getting rid of slavery...

What if this person is 16 and can't vote. How is he responsible for the acts of the US government?

There is always the militias.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by Mesopropithecus »

Asraelite wrote: post #81
themitigating wrote: post #38

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The danger is enabling them and normalizing these particular laws. It's objectively wrong to punish people for being gay.

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Morality and legality are two different things. If your morality is at odds with Human Rights, maybe your country with DiFfErEnT mOraLiTy shouldn't be part of the UN. Last time I checked, Qatar was part of the UN.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by stuartjohnson12 »

Asraelite wrote: post #81
themitigating wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The danger is enabling them and normalizing these particular laws. It's objectively wrong to punish people for being gay.

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If normativity isn't real, it's also not problematic for him to claim that harming gay people is objectively immoral, because there is similarly no obligation to apportion one's beliefs to the evidence.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by omnimus »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #97
roebk wrote: post #82

This was the same situation for the UEFA Women’s Euros in England this year. For those wondering, the app was simply for storing, transferring, and displaying your tickets. A ticket being a QR code for you to scan at the stadium turnstiles. Was the app required? Absolutely not, there was nothing specific that the mobile app could do that a simple website couldn’t (apart from the screen brightness jumping to 100% when…

Paper tickets can be resold into the tout/scalper market. Electronic tickets can't. That's a nice feature for FIFA.

You would be surprised how well app screenshot in full screen with the qr code works.

Seen this many times with covid vaccination passes.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by Ekaros »

Mesopropithecus wrote: post #124
Asraelite wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Morality and legality are two different things. If your morality is at odds with Human Rights, maybe your country with DiFfErEnT mOraLiTy shouldn't be part of the UN. Last time I checked, Qatar was part of the UN.

Hmm, I think if UN was based on morality that was in line of Human Rights it would be rather empty and powerless. For example the Security Council would not have any members.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by evanb »

vaylian wrote: post #96
robswc wrote: post #22

What if you don’t have a smart phone? Or hell, what about one that’s 5+ years old? Are they just SoL?

what is SoL? > What if you don’t have a smart phone? Remember, that you want something from them (entering the country). They can refuse you if they don't like your old-fashioned lifestyle.

"Shit outta luck"

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by Mesopropithecus »

Ekaros wrote: post #128
Mesopropithecus wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Morality and legality are two different things. If your morality is at odds with Human Rights, maybe your country with DiFfErEnT mOraLiTy shouldn't be part of the UN. Last time I checked, Qatar was part of the UN.

Hmm, I think if UN was based on morality that was in line of Human Rights it would be rather empty and powerless. For example the Security Council would not have any members.

Unfortunately you are right.
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