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Web 3.0 – The Great Con

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Re: Web 3.0 – The Great Con

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MakerDAO has no ability to block individual holders' DAI tokens. ENS DAO and ENS root multisig owners have no way to revoke your registered ENS .eth name address or take control of its records. You and I have a different idea of "custodial." Banks, CeFi lenders, payment processors can and do regularly eject and censor customers on a per-transaction basis, even building automated flagging systems to do this. > But thi…

>MakerDAO has no ability to block individual holders' DAI tokens. ENS DAO and ENS root multisig owners have no way to revoke your registered ENS .eth name address or take control of its records. Nope, they actually can do all of this by just updating the smart contracts. And even if this were true, it would be an anti-feature. I don't want to use a system where the illegitimate transactions of thieves and hackers can…

Each one of your posts has exponentially more tangents and problems than the last so it is hard to reply to it all, but

> if the ethereum developers really wanted to, they could just change the ethereum code itself to mess with that smart contract

Forking is a user activated decision. If an honest majority users of the chain wanted to point to a new ENS contract to resolve names to addresses, they could come to that consensus regardless of the will of core devs or root multisig owners.

If an honest majority of users would like GoDaddy to stop censoring X.com domain, or PayPal to stop blocking funds, they cannot fork the centralized private protocol. If a dishonest MakerDAO actor manages to push an unwanted change in DAI contracts to block a user’s funds, the honest majority could easily reject the change by following the old protocol.

Re: Web 3.0 – The Great Con

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>MakerDAO has no ability to block individual holders' DAI tokens. ENS DAO and ENS root multisig owners have no way to revoke your registered ENS .eth name address or take control of its records. Nope, they actually can do all of this by just updating the smart contracts. And even if this were true, it would be an anti-feature. I don't want to use a system where the illegitimate transactions of thieves and hackers can…

Each one of your posts has exponentially more tangents and problems than the last so it is hard to reply to it all, but > if the ethereum developers really wanted to, they could just change the ethereum code itself to mess with that smart contract Forking is a user activated decision. If an honest majority users of the chain wanted to point to a new ENS contract to resolve names to addresses, they could come to that…

>Each one of your posts has exponentially more tangents

Is this not what you were asking for though? I'm addressing all the concerns about these random web3 and defi projects, yes they're tangents but so is the whole conversation as it relates to the original article. None of that fundamentally changes the game, crypto is still a big fraud.

>Forking is a user activated decision. If an honest majority users of the chain wanted to point to a new ENS contract to resolve names to addresses, they could come to that consensus regardless of the will of core devs or root multisig owners.

Ok, with DNS you could also just do this by spinning up some new DNS root servers and trying to get everyone to use that. People have already tried to do this multiple times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root

Again you're not saying anything new here. None of this changes just because someone decided to write the name resolution code in ethereum solidity instead of C++.

>If an honest majority of users would like GoDaddy to stop censoring X.com domain, or PayPal to stop blocking funds, they cannot fork the centralized private protocol.

I'm sorry what? This whole sentence makes no sense. DNS is an open protocol, and Paypal isn't a protocol. No you can't convince Paypal to do business with someone they don't want to do business with (unless you force them legally) but the same is also true of the big crypto companies like Binance. If they decide some customer is bad for business they can just block their wallet and force them to go somewhere else. It's the same exact thing. Also I should remind you, Paypal is now literally a crypto company that offers crypto services.

>If a dishonest actor manages to push an unwanted change in DAI contracts to block a user’s funds, the honest majority could easily reject the change by following the old protocol.

How would they do this when their tokens are already gone because the original smart contract was looted? This isn't a theoretical, this stuff happens constantly all the time, another big one just happened last week: https://www.investopedia.com/mango-markets-got-hacked-675007...

Re: Web 3.0 – The Great Con

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There is a lot of good ideas in the space. Even NFTs are a good idea overall, when you remove the human greed part. But you're totally right, only monero have a 'legitimate' usecase (bypass the taxation laws).

> when you remove the human greed part So they are theoretically a good idea with no practical application in the real world.

Kinda like the idea of using NFTs as tickets (for concerts or stuff like that). We recently had an issue with false tickets during a football match in France, I'm sure you can use NFTs here, with a good UI (so unlike 99% of crypto) (not necessarily on a public Blockchain tbh).

Re: Web 3.0 – The Great Con

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It would be quite incredible to be able to lend out and charge interest on $1000 when only having $100. On the surface, that's pretty dumb and it's history has entirely fraudulent roots. However, it ultimately provides the needed entropy in the system to appropriately incentivize participants in the economy to produce goods and services at the lowest possible cost (in other words, optimize quality of life - or at lea…

>On the surface, that's pretty dumb and it's history has entirely fraudulent roots. This is again a conspiracy theory typically promoted by adherents of the long discredited pseudoscience known as Austrian Economics. Don't fall for this. The fact that it's working at the set interest rates is proof that the system is not a fraud, because the bank should absolutely be able to make more good loans when it knows it can.…

By "fraudulent roots", I'm talking about Wisselbank in the 1600s.

>> Providing liquidity and assuming risks are actual valuable

Liquidity is another name for creating measures of value. A bank is a group of people that have magic wands to create these measures. The magic wand becomes less magical with defaulted loans - this is the risk that you mention.

Banks used to also provide a safe way to store things (vaults and so on). Now, a bank is a centralized database + magic wand.

In any case, it seems you are convinced that the current system is optimal and cannot be improved. I'm less convinced but that's fine. I encourage you to free your mind a bit. The first step is to use language that triggers no emotional responses. For example, "organization" is a set of people - nothing more. Money (massive emotional trigger) is a measure of value. If you know how to code, I encourage you to implement Bitcoin from the whitepaper (or just read it - it is very simple). This helped me infinitely more than listening to various Bitcoin maximalists/minimalists on YouTube. This understanding hasn't motivated me to own any crypto of any kind thus far however.

Re: Web 3.0 – The Great Con

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> when you remove the human greed part So they are theoretically a good idea with no practical application in the real world.

Kinda like the idea of using NFTs as tickets (for concerts or stuff like that). We recently had an issue with false tickets during a football match in France, I'm sure you can use NFTs here, with a good UI (so unlike 99% of crypto) (not necessarily on a public Blockchain tbh).

But why do that? What do you gain with a process that is more involved, slower and open to many forms of attack?
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