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Re: I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal

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With Signal moving away from SMS, the required messaging app stack on my phone just to be able to receive everything sent do me will have to be: - Signal -> Close friends & family I've convinced to use it. - WhatsApp -> Most of my friends. - SMS -> School notifications, 2FA, shipping updates, etc. - Facebook Messenger -> Elderly relatives - Telegram -> That one relative who wants to use this instead of Signal. Is the…

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It is my understanding that this mostly works with rooms/channels over bridges - not with individual, 1-on-1 communication. Do you have a hint how to set this up?

Re: I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal

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With Signal moving away from SMS, the required messaging app stack on my phone just to be able to receive everything sent do me will have to be: - Signal -> Close friends & family I've convinced to use it. - WhatsApp -> Most of my friends. - SMS -> School notifications, 2FA, shipping updates, etc. - Facebook Messenger -> Elderly relatives - Telegram -> That one relative who wants to use this instead of Signal. Is the…

There is some critical mass fortunately. The driver for most people in my group to get it was that they’d miss out on a group chat if they didn’t have it.

I now have everyone I talk to regularly on Signal (30-40 people), but it took years.

Re: I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal

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Problem is Signal people had really odd visions how to make basic functionality work. This isn't really because SMS/MMS are bad(yes they are). But there are threads in their issue tracker where Signal people would disagree with basically functionality of responding to text messages on dual sim devices. "We'll always use the Signal registered number as default". One part of this is a terrible(but working) protocol, th…

Agreed. I remember when - years ago - they unilaterally switched all Android devices to use the Apple emoji. No consultation, no investigation with users, no reason other than they wanted consistency across their apps. Took a lot of grumpy users before they backtracked. I use and like Signal. I'm not smart enough to disagree with some of their technical decisions, but I wish they could have found a way to make SMS/RC…

I can see why some people would want a toggle, but defaulting to Apple emoji seems like the obviously correct thing to do. I suspect a major reason why HNers hate emoji in general is because they see different images from what gen-z sees and therefore have a hard time understanding jokes that rely on how these images look.

Re: I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal

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When Signal finally drops SMS support, I will also drop Signal. It always was SMS foremost, secure communications second when I initially started using it. Having people on Signal was an added benefit, not the main drive for using it.

For me personally, Signal will turn into a messaging app among dozens of similar apps, of which I have enough already. SMS was why I stuck with Signal over the years I used it and now I have no real reason to stay on it.

Re: I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal

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> Turning RCS into their own private messaging platform on Android has to be peak Google. While at the same time pushing this "Apple is bad because green bubble" narrative because Apple doesn't support it. It's somewhat amusing in some ways. Companies (Google or Apple) are never on the consumers side, and yet we fall for it all the time.

> and yet we fall for it all the time Really? Do "we"? Everyone keeps warning of these issues while getting laughed out of the room. At some point I have to believe that most of society actually actively wants to be screwed over.

> At some point I have to believe that most of society actually actively wants to be screwed over.

Most of society is brainwashed by commercials, don't even understand half of the words techies use and would call you pretentious if you are not using iOS or Android

Re: I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal

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SMS is still rather common here in Europe. Even if a ton of people use whatsapp and such SMS is often a safe option to initiate with or something trough which you get certain kinds of automated messages like appointment reminders or verification codes.

I think that differs very much per country. The last time I have received an SMS from a human in NL must have been a decade ago. In many European countries, sending SMS was quite expensive, leading to early and very wide adoption of WhatsApp.

NL is rather small sample to, say, larger countries like Poland that use SMS quite frequently. And depending on carrier, SMS texting most likely will be completely free with most of the current plans.

Signal's rationale is just Signal's own reluctance to build an umbrella messenger. And given they do drop SMS, still won't introduce usernames it's very hard to actually sell it as a WhatsApp replacement.

And now, with WhatsApp supporting password protected cloud backups and up to 2Gb attachments, I'd say Signal will loose the userbase it acquired during the hype and Musk tweet.

In fact, during 2020 Belarus protests, Signal did nothing to support it's own operations during internet semi-blackout in the country, while Telegram tweaked their server side to provide at least some possibility to know what was happening in big cities. So what are the values of Signal — I don't even know. But they sure did support pillagers and rioters in the USA.

To be even more brazen, Signal is not Apple. They stopped innovating. And they don't have enough political power to convince people do things the new way. Even their zero knowledge server is worthless. Check out the story on FBI cracking down on the leader of some right wing proud boys type of armed group. They tracked him and then compelled to give up access to Signal.

Their innovation stopped at providing solid cryptography that was adopted by most decent messengers already. And they aren't visionaries with cancelling SMS.

UPD: the funniest part is that the service that drops the SMS support still relies on SMS to provide account registration.

This is just an unprecedented level of sarcasm.

Re: I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal

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> Just choose the one with the best layout or usability This was Signal for me. I understand the reasons to get rid of SMS support but I strongly disagree. Unfortunately I don't have enough people in my life on Signal to justify keeping it around as yet another messaging app.

I've a loyal signal user since it came out. Seemless SMS fallback is why I used it.

I was hoping to read here someone had forked it here. I won't be continuing with Signal.

Re: I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal

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I think you're forgetting the main reason: the group of people using it to communicate is really small and shrinking every year. The only large group of people who still primarily use SMS to communicate person-to-person is Android users in the USA. Every other country has settled on either Telegram, WeChat, WhatsApp or FB Messenger, or other niche apps. These apps work on both iOS and Android and often also Windows.…

I'm on a prepaid plan. I had the maximum plan (unlimited data, unlimited voice) for two decades but with home office, I spend most time indoors so I've switched to a Some months my data volume doesn't last till the end of the month. I use SMS instead of the Signal protocol then.

Yes I might be a minority, but if you're not the market leader, cutting out minority groups of users will not make you more successful.

What's your mission: Giving secure communication to everyone or become the next WhatsApp?

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