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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by FireBeyond »

kjksf wrote: post #101
carl_dr wrote: post #50

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Vs “from $2795 per month” for Viasat. https://go.viasat.com/BAV-Viasat-Select-Business-Jet-WiFi.ht...

Per https://viasat.widen.net/s/clgfbt6sdz/1487977_business_aviat... $2795 is for 15GB data cap which is nothing. Their unlimited local service is $10k, unlimited global service is $14k $14k is more expensive than the cheapest $12.5k from Starlink and less expensive than $25k most expensive plan. Except Starlink is 350 MB/s vs. 30 MB/s from ViaSat. Starlink is 5x-10x cheaper per speed.

Well, and ViaSat is actually available now.

"Available in 2023". We'll see. I mean FSD has been "coming this year" since 2016. And I regularly see people here complaining that they're still waitlisted for their terrestrial Starlink service.

Who knows what ViaSat will have by whenever Starlink actually makes this happen (you know, with the mobile RV service that's "coming soon", and the maritime service, also "coming soon", and now this...).

Re: Starlink Aviation

#132

Post by usefulcat »

FireBeyond wrote: post #107
schappim wrote: post #67

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Perhaps it is not a client hardware issue, but a lack of coverage at your latitude.

Seems like offering a $25,000/mo aviation service (which could be at almost any latitude) might be pretty risky, in that case. For $25,000/mo, customers are going to expect connectivity.

For aviation, they'll get connectivity most of the time; it will just flake out occasionally.

The real question is, what are the prices of the services they're competing against? I'll bet those prices are higher.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by meling »

socialismisok wrote: post #84
cdnsteve wrote: post #62

It would be nice if Starlink could honour their existing obligations as a priority first. I have reserved Starlink here in Canada nearly two years ago and received an email advising it's now been pushed to summer 2023. That's three years of waiting. I was also emailed last year advising the monthly cost has increased and so has the dish itself. Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at or…

Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"

I’m not making excuses for Tesla’s many misgivings, but they did honor the pre-order price for my model Y, even though new orders were more than 10% higher.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#134

Post by FireBeyond »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #47
thrillgore wrote: post #43

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Is this extortion? I thought StarLink is a business, not a charity. As I understand it, Musk is asking for someone to pay for the Ukraine service… although I admit I may not know the whole story.

The US government is paying for services, so is the Ukrainian. As is USAID.

Ukraine wants a $500/month service. Musk/Starlink wants them to be on the $4,500/month service and is complaining that they're "losing money" because they're not.

Oh, and they want to continue being paid for services for terminals that have been destroyed (because, y'know, war).

Re: Starlink Aviation

#135

Post by Retric »

FireBeyond wrote: post #107
schappim wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it is not a client hardware issue, but a lack of coverage at your latitude.

Seems like offering a $25,000/mo aviation service (which could be at almost any latitude) might be pretty risky, in that case. For $25,000/mo, customers are going to expect connectivity.

$25,000/mo for 350 Mbps and no download limits is extremely cheap compared to Viasat. In the short term Airlines could probably save money setting this up alongside existing services. Though Viasat isn’t going to be able to survive this kind of competition for long.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#136

Post by FireBeyond »

usefulcat wrote: post #132
FireBeyond wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like offering a $25,000/mo aviation service (which could be at almost any latitude) might be pretty risky, in that case. For $25,000/mo, customers are going to expect connectivity.

For aviation, they'll get connectivity most of the time; it will just flake out occasionally. The real question is, what are the prices of the services they're competing against? I'll bet those prices are higher.

ViaSat charges $14K/mo for their top tier service.

And the only coverage failure I've had while traveling, with ViaSat, is for an hour or so on polar routes (for me, SEA - DOH/DXB).

Re: Starlink Aviation

#137

Post by tadfisher »

voz_ wrote: post #103
zuhayeer wrote: post #100

Once upon a time, all plane transmissions were pretty much air to ground. As inconsequential as it may seem, the positioning of antennas above the plane are a bit metaphoric for flipping things up side down. Looking out into space instead of back to earth. Also notable that SpaceX keeps finding these cool (revenue generating) use cases to further cheapen the cost of sending things up to space. Pretty much dogfooding…

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Oh, it works. It will just never make a profit.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#138

Post by soheil »

noduerme wrote: post #83
soheil wrote: post #80

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How is this so much more annoying to you than two people who know each other sitting next to you and talking or possibly as weird as this is gonna sound like maybe they were not completely anti-social people and just met and started talking?

Because when strangers start chatting next to you, you can join the conversation and at least aren't relegated to listening to one side of it. Talking to new people in public is social. Talking on the phone in public is antisocial.

So if airlines enforced callers to put their device on speaker that'd resolve the issue?

Re: Starlink Aviation

#140

Post by wmf »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #47
thrillgore wrote: post #43

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Is this extortion? I thought StarLink is a business, not a charity. As I understand it, Musk is asking for someone to pay for the Ukraine service… although I admit I may not know the whole story.

Starlink Premium service is $500/month but SpaceX is asking $4,500/month in Ukraine. There may be some justification for this but it looks like a bait-and-switch.
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