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Re: Starlink Aviation

#101

Post by kjksf »

carl_dr wrote: post #50
kelp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says right on the front page: "High-speed, low-latency, in-flight internet with connectivity across the globe. $12,500/mo-$25,000/mo with a one-time hardware cost of $150,000. Reserve now with deliveries starting in 2023."

Vs “from $2795 per month” for Viasat. https://go.viasat.com/BAV-Viasat-Select-Business-Jet-WiFi.ht...

Per https://viasat.widen.net/s/clgfbt6sdz/1487977_business_aviat...

$2795 is for 15GB data cap which is nothing.

Their unlimited local service is $10k, unlimited global service is $14k

$14k is more expensive than the cheapest $12.5k from Starlink and less expensive than $25k most expensive plan.

Except Starlink is 350 MB/s vs. 30 MB/s from ViaSat. Starlink is 5x-10x cheaper per speed.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#102

Post by petesergeant »

amacalac wrote: post #2

Low latency for Video Calls? Sure, great on private charter jets where it’s you or a couple of people who know each other. Also, generally in favour of the march of technology, so I love this. Do Not Ever want on a flight where I’m sitting beside some random ass stranger who will chat or video chat to whoever at the top of their voice while I’m trying to relax.

This is already theoretically an issue. I'm going to link to Alaska Air's FAQ[0] simply because it's the most available online who note that streaming services are OK, but they don't "allow guests to make voice or video calls". I imagine the latency would make it a poor experience _too_, but the point is that airlines know you don't want people making calls next to you.

[0] https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/flight-experie...

Re: Starlink Aviation

#103

Post by voz_ »

zuhayeer wrote: post #100

Once upon a time, all plane transmissions were pretty much air to ground. As inconsequential as it may seem, the positioning of antennas above the plane are a bit metaphoric for flipping things up side down. Looking out into space instead of back to earth. Also notable that SpaceX keeps finding these cool (revenue generating) use cases to further cheapen the cost of sending things up to space. Pretty much dogfooding…

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Re: Starlink Aviation

#104

Post by MichaelCollins »

zulban wrote: post #96
cdnsteve wrote: post #62

It would be nice if Starlink could honour their existing obligations as a priority first. I have reserved Starlink here in Canada nearly two years ago and received an email advising it's now been pushed to summer 2023. That's three years of waiting. I was also emailed last year advising the monthly cost has increased and so has the dish itself. Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at or…

> Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at original said price? Why would it? What does your contract say? It sounds like you just gave a company your money and got nothing legally binding in exchange. Don't do that.

Preorders and reservations of unreleased products are for people who like to get screwed, or for people with so much money they don't care if they get screwed. I know people who preorder AAA games, the game turns out to be crap and they complain about it. "Ugh, I can't believe I preordered this crap." Then a year later they're doing it again...

"Doctor, it hurts when I poke my eye!" Uh, then stop doing that.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#105

Post by eganist »

Edit: a fatal assumption that it's the airlines providing the service underpins my original post below, whereas instead it's the providers charging passengers directly. That's an entirely different model from below, so disregard my original comment aside maybe my last line. Preserving the comment for context though.

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At 25,000/mo, assuming a jet makes 60 trans-con segments in the US per month and a price of $20 per passenger for access on a given segment, you'd need an average of at least 20 people to pay for a full flight's worth of internet access on each segment just to clear the monthly cost, not even counting the up front investment.

And that's for a standard narrow-body passenger jet, not the G650 etc. business jets that they're targeting.

This seems like a flex, not a tool.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#106

Post by threeseed »

soheil wrote: post #80
amacalac wrote: post #2

Low latency for Video Calls? Sure, great on private charter jets where it’s you or a couple of people who know each other. Also, generally in favour of the march of technology, so I love this. Do Not Ever want on a flight where I’m sitting beside some random ass stranger who will chat or video chat to whoever at the top of their voice while I’m trying to relax.

How is this so much more annoying to you than two people who know each other sitting next to you and talking or possibly as weird as this is gonna sound like maybe they were not completely anti-social people and just met and started talking?

At least for me, my brain distinguishes between the two situations.

If two people are sitting next to each talking I have the ability to easily tune them out. If one person is talking to a phone I can't. There's a study about it here: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

"one-sided conversations still impacted participants’ self-reported distractibility and memory, thus showing people are more attentive to cell phone conversations than two-sided conversations"

Re: Starlink Aviation

#107

Post by FireBeyond »

schappim wrote: post #67
cdnsteve wrote: post #62

It would be nice if Starlink could honour their existing obligations as a priority first. I have reserved Starlink here in Canada nearly two years ago and received an email advising it's now been pushed to summer 2023. That's three years of waiting. I was also emailed last year advising the monthly cost has increased and so has the dish itself. Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at or…

Perhaps it is not a client hardware issue, but a lack of coverage at your latitude.

Seems like offering a $25,000/mo aviation service (which could be at almost any latitude) might be pretty risky, in that case. For $25,000/mo, customers are going to expect connectivity.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#108

Post by cammikebrown »

cdnsteve wrote: post #62

It would be nice if Starlink could honour their existing obligations as a priority first. I have reserved Starlink here in Canada nearly two years ago and received an email advising it's now been pushed to summer 2023. That's three years of waiting. I was also emailed last year advising the monthly cost has increased and so has the dish itself. Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at or…

I wish. Stern Pinball has been doing this too (accepting deposits and then raising the price before delivery).

Re: Starlink Aviation

#109

Post by FireBeyond »

eganist wrote: post #105

Edit: a fatal assumption that it's the airlines providing the service underpins my original post below, whereas instead it's the providers charging passengers directly. That's an entirely different model from below, so disregard my original comment aside maybe my last line. Preserving the comment for context though. --- At 25,000/mo, assuming a jet makes 60 trans-con segments in the US per month and a price of $20 pe…

And, knowing Musk, a way to play loose with the books. I can imagine a bunch of these reservations "financially delivered" to prop up SpaceX's numbers, which aren't looking hugely healthy.

Re: Starlink Aviation

#110

Post by HyperSane »

socialismisok wrote: post #84
cdnsteve wrote: post #62

It would be nice if Starlink could honour their existing obligations as a priority first. I have reserved Starlink here in Canada nearly two years ago and received an email advising it's now been pushed to summer 2023. That's three years of waiting. I was also emailed last year advising the monthly cost has increased and so has the dish itself. Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at or…

Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"

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