I like how they worked out an advanced tagging system's requirements from a ~dozen tweets, starting with the most basic tagging system and working up through a tag hierarchy to a tree to a DAG, then even talks about K/V tags and etc.
I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
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Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tags end up being an excellent finding aid due to the strength of the community's tag linking, you see. So they serve both purposes.
"no regenerating limbs those arms are toast sorry QA despises them" just isn't useful if I want to locate a particular text, other than "I'm liable to get a Tumblr-stink off of this crap." And your defense of this is really ... internal , as in, this all looks like a lot of in-jokes to an outsider who is new to AO3, or even new to a particular fandom. If someone doesn't know the slang, the in-joke reference, it's sti…
> "no regenerating limbs those arms are toast sorry QA despises them" just isn't useful if I want to locate a particular text, other than "I'm liable to get a Tumblr-stink off of this crap."
Yeah, but you're not looking for that tag, and that tag wouldn't affect your search in any way. That's the thing. You're approaching tags like they can only only ever be used one way, and yes they can be that, and also other things that don't affect your personal use. So when you search for your specific tag, all synonymous tags will also appear, and all superfluous tags don't affect your search. A one-off tag doesn't affect your ability to search for multi-use tags.
EDIT: Additionally, the fact the tag exists has also helpfully indicated to you that this is a fic you probably don't want to read because of the author's cultural hinting through their use of tags. You're proving my point here-- the one-off tag doesn't affect your ability to search for your specific fandom or tropes, but also it allows you to pick flavors of fanfic you want from that search because of your dislike of one-off tags.
Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#133I worked with the Wikipedia category system a few years ago, and you could see the problems with hierarchical tagging systems right in action back then. (Though it may have gotten better in the meantime) The system appeared simple: There were just two relations, "Article A is a member of category B" and "Category X is a subcategory of category Y". However, in practice, the community was using this system to represent…
The issue is that system has nodes and edges, but no concept of distinct graphs. That leaves you trying to fit all notable human knowledge onto a single graph, which is non-optimal. Whether it’s also a DAG, tree, or something else doesn’t even matter. Ontologies are like languages. There is no correct one. What matters is how good a fit it is for the problem at hand and that you’re all using the same one! If half the…
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Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#134Why twitter man.. these questions are clearly important but there is a space to discuss them https://matrix.to/#/#datalisp:matrix.org
Seriously. I'm not a twitter fan, but even so, it's a short-form medium. Why do people abuse it like this, especially with great content? What's so bad about tweeting a link to a blog? Anyhow, I use threadereaderapp to get through the frustrating twitter UI and the ways that it is abused: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1534301374166474752.html
> Why do people abuse it like this, especially with great content?
Probably to get a wider audience to actually read and engage with the ideas, and to crowdsource relevant information from said audience.
> What's so bad about tweeting a link to a blog?
Probably an 80%+ reduction (total guess) in the number of people who engage directly with the content and author.
Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#135I worked with the Wikipedia category system a few years ago, and you could see the problems with hierarchical tagging systems right in action back then. (Though it may have gotten better in the meantime) The system appeared simple: There were just two relations, "Article A is a member of category B" and "Category X is a subcategory of category Y". However, in practice, the community was using this system to represent…
The issue is that system has nodes and edges, but no concept of distinct graphs. That leaves you trying to fit all notable human knowledge onto a single graph, which is non-optimal. Whether it’s also a DAG, tree, or something else doesn’t even matter. Ontologies are like languages. There is no correct one. What matters is how good a fit it is for the problem at hand and that you’re all using the same one! If half the…
I don't think you necessarily need multiple graphs; just labeled edges.
Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#136I worked with the Wikipedia category system a few years ago, and you could see the problems with hierarchical tagging systems right in action back then. (Though it may have gotten better in the meantime) The system appeared simple: There were just two relations, "Article A is a member of category B" and "Category X is a subcategory of category Y". However, in practice, the community was using this system to represent…
The issue is that system has nodes and edges, but no concept of distinct graphs. That leaves you trying to fit all notable human knowledge onto a single graph, which is non-optimal. Whether it’s also a DAG, tree, or something else doesn’t even matter. Ontologies are like languages. There is no correct one. What matters is how good a fit it is for the problem at hand and that you’re all using the same one! If half the…
Isn't this literally just saying we need another layer of categorization on top of the categorization layer?
Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is that system has nodes and edges, but no concept of distinct graphs. That leaves you trying to fit all notable human knowledge onto a single graph, which is non-optimal. Whether it’s also a DAG, tree, or something else doesn’t even matter. Ontologies are like languages. There is no correct one. What matters is how good a fit it is for the problem at hand and that you’re all using the same one! If half the…
I don't think you necessarily need multiple graphs; just labeled edges.
You just need some way to interact with it as multiple graphs. Some variation of labeled edges is probably the best.
Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#138A big miss on the list, is that words (so a tag) do not mean the same things for each people and do not even mean the same things in different contexts
Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#139Maybe it's the project I am working on but right now I see the ideal search interface to be something like an OWL class axiom, that is, I am searching for instances of a class that has the following restrictions
* subclass of Actor
* subclass of Singer
* has been in at least 7 movies
* was born after December 3, 1980
* has been married to at most 3 other people
Re: I am endlessly fascinated with content tagging systems
#140I am endlessly fascinated by how twitter has now become a dumping ground for complex topics that are difficult to read and follow. But what happened to the old blogs?
Nothing has happened to them. I have a few hundred distinct bookmarked blogs, if not over a thousand, and obviously my bookmark collection is a tiny fraction of what actually exists. They're still there.