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Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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See "conclusions" in the paper linked at the bottom. One of the theories is that teachers are over-compensating for gender bias, another is that it's just noise and marks given mid-year represent teacher's attempts at psychological manipulation more than actual grading outcomes.

It's conscious bias, and it's not fair. A lot of women teachers consciously hold boys down to promote girls.

But on the other hand conscious bias is the only way to compensate for unconscious bias, isn't it? It's just hard to judge where to stop. Without blind testing it's probably futile.

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let me google taht for you? https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teac... https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/feqtuo/te... Parents send their kids to school to get an education, not be pushed propaganda.

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Here: https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lau-math-teachers-...

is the Toronto sun (a news agency) some "conservative think tank" as well?

Is this why parents send their kids to school, to learn this instead of math

"Whether or not teaching children about microaggressions and colonialism is a good idea, infusing mathematics with such collateral issues inescapably detracts from the learning of real mathematics."

> This is exactly your type of persona I had in mind when I was thinking about failed homeschooling.

you should step back and question your assumptions. I was NOT home schooled, nor were my three kids. You could not have been more wrong if you tried.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Not surprised. I'm living this sexist disrespect and discrimination at Villanova.

Its clear in the comp science program, the profs are under pressure to make girls pass. They get special attention, extra feedback,etc.

Special perks for sure. Its just unfair and demoralizing, but also honestly enraging.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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I worked as a teacher for a little while. Discount my anecdote if you like, but it always seemed to me that girls are more likely to be grade grubbers than boys. (For those unfamiliar with the idiom, it means someone who pleads to the teacher to be given a higher grade. I don't know if there's a word in Italian.)

They are grade grabbers because they can be.

Teachers let them, if a boy acted the way they did, well they'd just be shutdown.

As boy in a America, you learn fast, the only special treatment you get is hostility

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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"If you don't send your kids to school, they won't fit in with society." "Correct."

To put it in a less pithy way... bullying is part of life, too. You certainly want to prevent what bullying you can in schools and give your children the tools to cope with it. But being home schooled means you (likely) never deal with it in the first place; and it's likely to be all the more damaging when you try to settle into an adult life.

So is dying, are you going to force kids to practice that too?

Bullying is real, but there is no damn reason to force little kids into it.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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I worked as a teacher for a little while. Discount my anecdote if you like, but it always seemed to me that girls are more likely to be grade grubbers than boys. (For those unfamiliar with the idiom, it means someone who pleads to the teacher to be given a higher grade. I don't know if there's a word in Italian.)

Some people are definitely more willing than others to maximize grades for the sake of grades as opposed to learning for the sake of learning.

And unfortunately the education system encourages this. We all know that grades incorporate a lot of things besides understanding of the subject matter - typically you'll have multiple graded tests and quizzes which record the rate at which you learn material, often assignments are graded based at least in part on timely completion, most courses offer either a curve, extra credit, or both to boost grades, and of course there's a massive benefit to simply being a good test taker. Further, every teacher grades their classes differently such that A in one class can't be directly compared to another, even in the same subject matter. And yet, major life altering decisions such as what schools you can attend, what scholarships are available, what internships you can do, and where you'll be able to start your career after school are all heavily influenced by a single number which is determined solely by letter grades.

Of course in the real world we need cutoffs and there is no perfect way to measure understanding, it's just that we know grades to be such an obviously poor proxy, and it's way over used. We should have a way to distinguish "disciplined and hard working but doesn't know shit about this topic" from "clearly knows their stuff but snores a little too loud in the back"

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Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really should be outsourcing the raising of my kids,that I love most in the world (of course I love my husband too).

Teacher's core competency is teaching. They study it for years, practice it for years, in a system tuned over time. You have never done it before. You really think you can do better?

Maybe professors, but theres no way you are describing the average teacher .

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You can enroll your children in any extracurricular activity, such as sports and arts and it will cover the social aspect.

Not 100% confident in this. In a classroom you all face the same challenges (this bad teacher, the test being hard etc.) so it develops comradery, each other helps. Yeah, there is also bad stuff, but it's an experience that I don't know if sports alone can deliver (the amount of time you spend together in school is way higher).

What you want them to experience bullying and all the dysfunction of large schools?

Put them in a homeschool pod.

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It's important to distinguish between a core competency and something of extreme importance. Obviously education is extremely important but that doesn't mean a parent will inherently be any good at doing it, other than of course caring a lot, which may or may not help depending on how that energy is channeled.

This is a very good point! I would just like to add, though, that teaching does not have to be one of your "core competencies" to consider homeschooling. Many folks like in places with terrible public schools, but also cannot afford to send their children to private school. As a friend recently remarked to me: to be successful in homeschooling, you do not have to provide a perfect education. As long as it is better t…

Counterpoint, you can always supplement your children's education at home even if you're not homeschooling them to make up for deficiencies in a local school while still reaping the benefits. Even a terrible school will be able to teach some things, it's incredibly difficult for kids to get nearly the same social interaction with kids their own age while being homeschooled as they would at a public school, and having the kids out of the house for a few hours a day is extremely beneficial for both the parents and the kids.

For homeschooling to be the best option, the local schools need to be not only worse than you, they need to be net negative. There are some places with such terrible schools, but if you have the disposable income to spend all day at home teaching the kids, use it to move someplace with better schools.

Re: Why do teachers give girls higher marks than boys? Researchers have the answer

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Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really should be outsourcing the raising of my kids,that I love most in the world (of course I love my husband too).

My wife and I were both homeschooled and are homeschooling our children. Their opportunities are far more diverse than if they were in school most of the day. They don't have digital device addictions and play outside 10x most other kids. They are capable of engaging people across a wide range of ages, not just those within a year or two in age. When playing with similarly aged peers, they are consistently the leader…

My kids are also homeschooled. There's a lot of benefits and fewer downsides than I expected. School was shit for me and I'm glad my kids are having a better experience.

On the other hand I can't stand the evangelism of many homeschoolers such as yourself. We tend to avoid homeschooling groups. They (we? :( ) aren't good for just having normal conversations and a laugh with.

> When playing with similarly aged peers, they are consistently the leaders of play because they...

Yeah I know the type. Otherwise known as the precocious brat children everyone else can't wait to get away from.

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