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Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by CPLX »

garyfirestorm wrote: post #159
smoldesu wrote: post #134

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That's what I don't really understand, though. Even the artists and video editors who use these devices aren't actually leveraging all of the power in the machine. Photo editors and artists are mostly still constrained by single-core performance, and video editors are mostly just leveraging the GPU's video accelerators. The "full power" of the M1 or M2 doesn't even make sense for these pro customers. That's why I sti…

I think you are underestimating the power of pencil combined with Letter sized screen for people who read research papers, take notes and need entertainment when traveling - potentially entire higher ed students. I just bought an M1 iPad Pro last week and I am impressed with how easy it is to navigate and annotate pdf documents

This just has to be a big use case. There’s a very large community of wealthy people who are extensive business travelers and their core job description is reading and marking up documents on the road.

Think lawyers, finance, basically anyone doing “deals” is in this category. As someone with about 3 million frequent flier miles lying around I’ve seen a whole lot of them in airports.

I have one too. Big screen, thin profile can be used in an airplane seat or wherever, has a cell connection so you don’t need to fuss with wifi to send back comments on something quickly.

It’s really a great application for these things. Agreed that the processor might be overkill but also who cares, when you live on the road and shit depends on you, you just max out all the choices and press the order button.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by yamtaddle »

selykg wrote: post #107
jessriedel wrote: post #56

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The extra 2 inches of screen can be a reason to get a Pro, but I agree it's unclear why they both to put in so much horsepower.

as an avid comic book reader, the 12.9" iPad Pro is _perfect_ for reading comics, you don't have to zoom in or out at all and you can simply read. The 11" model might be fine too but I've only ever used the 12.9" model. It's slightly oversized, like the treatment some of the deluxe hardcover graphic novels get, and it's absolutely glorious to be able to read without zooming in. I'd love to get a newer iPad, but the p…

> as an avid comic book reader, the 12.9" iPad Pro is _perfect_ for reading comics, you don't have to zoom in or out at all and you can simply read.

The really cool thing about this, for those who haven't tried, is that in landscape mode the 12.9" is really really close to the same size as a two-page comic spread, so you can read them like they were intended, not one page at a time. It's a little smaller, but not much. Makes a huge difference vs. page-at-a-time reading.

(I use Chunky, which is amazing and I wish the author charged money for it or had more options to pay them than one mostly-unnecessary and really-cheap IAP, because it's really good and I never want it to go away)

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by guhidalg »

AlexandrB wrote: post #99
willis936 wrote: post #46

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It has always been artificial market segmentation. Their message is clear: don't buy apple if you want a laptop with a touchscreen. Apple will only sell you oversized phones and regular laptops.

And don't buy a Windows laptop if you want a laptop without a touchscreen because the UI will be designed for touch even if you only use a mouse. Although macOS is unfortunately trending in this direction also.

Complain to the developers? Windows will tell applications if they're in laptop or tablet mode, if you don't like tablet mode then don't use it.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by kkruglov »

lupire wrote: post #154
lapcat wrote: post #15

I love how "Desktop-class apps" means extremely basic features available decades ago on desktop: "consistent undo and redo, a redesigned inline find-and-replace experience, a new document menu, customizable toolbars, and the ability to change file extensions, view folder size".

Can you drag the cursor with your finger to a specific character in-text yet, without selecting text? 2018 iPad can't.

Long tap space bar and it should become something like a trackpad for the cursor.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by doix »

kaycebasques wrote: post #45

One current day iPad killer app IMO is Procreate. It's basically a more intuitive version of Adobe Illustrator completely optimized for iPad + iPen. I bought my then girlfriend (now wife :D) an iPad for her bday in 2020 accepting the risk that we're spending a lot of money on an activity she might not stick with (digital illustration). Happy to report that I was totally wrong and we have def gotten our money's worth…

Similar story here, my girlfriend uses the iPad/pencil/procreate to draw commissions for people. She absolutely loves it, went did an art degree but then went down a different career path and is now getting back into it.

In a world filled with apps that require a subscription, a persistent internet connection or filled to the brim with ads, procreate really is a breath of fresh air. Just buy it and use it like in the good old days.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by traceroute66 »

lupire wrote: post #120
Veliladon wrote: post #6

Still can't believe the M2 chip is hobbled with Stage Manager. Dear Apple, I want my iPad to become a Finder based full-fat macOS when it's on the Magic Keyboard and I want it to be Springboard when I take it off the Magic Keyboard. Make it happen already.

Apple doesn't want non-artists to buy iPad Pro instead of MacBook. They want people to buy both.

> Apple doesn't want non-artists to buy iPad Pro instead of MacBook. They want people to buy both.

I see the resident Apple bashers are already warming up their cannons firing a few rounds.

But perhaps we need to take a step back here for a moment....

First you need to consider the security and general platform profile of iOS which is fundamentally different from MacOS. Running MacOS would greatly weaken the iOS security profile of Apple mobile devices, and you have to remember that the devices are not just used by consumers but they are used widely in the corporate world too. iOS loaded with corporate apps is a much more attractive security footprint for corporate IT departments. Personally speaking, I very much like the tightened security footprint of iOS. I wouldn't want to run full-blown MacOS on my phone or tablet, even if I could !

Second, prior to Apple silicon, non-mobile hardware ran on Intel. So Apple were justifiably technically constrained by that fact. However, if you observe Apple today though, you can see MacOS on Apple Silicon allows you to install iPhone/iPad apps simply by downloading them from the App store as you would on an Apple mobile device. I would argue therefore that with time, we may see further blurring of boundaries in both directions.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by psychomugs »

smoldesu wrote: post #108
Auracle wrote: post #88

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I mean, I don’t understand how I could really use an iPad in my workflow as a photographer. Everything is slower without a keyboard, and for raw editing I use a whole bunch of knobs. I could see maybe using it at the right type of session to quickly review images on a larger screen, but the last time I looked into it there wasn’t a super great way of doing that. Maybe I could cull photos on my iPad but unless I trans…

Same goes for music production. I've tried using a few iPad DAWs over the years, but it's so much slower than using a keyboard and mouse, or just popping open your Macbook with Live. Apple already has a product segment that does fairly well with this market, trying to force the iPad into being something it's not just looks silly.

Producing may be faster on desktop for now because they've had a large head start on optimizing the interfaces for mouse and keyboard, but those affordances are still a subset of what you can do with a touch screen. Touch screens won't replace dedicated controllers with physical knobs, but digital knobs are surprisingly usable.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by darthrupert »

jwr wrote: post #72
atty wrote: post #24

They keep on pushing on the power of the iPads. Out of curiosity, does anyone really use their iPads for something they’d consider really compute intensive? I find that the best use of a tablet is reading and watching videos. Any time I want to do anything complex or computationally intensive I find a laptop to be much more efficient, both in terms of the OS flexibility and better input devices.

Heck yeah. "Reading" sounds boring and easy, except when you have to quickly skim through 600-page PDFs with illustrations, and switch between those. This is a common use case for anybody designing electronics. I will take every CPU cycle I can get. The existing iPads were already the best devices for this kind of thing, but faster is always better. I still find it sad that: a) Apple restricts iPad OS so much, that i…

>Apple restricts iPad OS so much, that it's difficult to make good use of that fantastic hardware. It feels weird that people ask questions like "what can I actually use that power for?"

Doesn't faster CPU tend to imply potentially better battery life?

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by evilduck »

Veliladon wrote: post #6

Still can't believe the M2 chip is hobbled with Stage Manager. Dear Apple, I want my iPad to become a Finder based full-fat macOS when it's on the Magic Keyboard and I want it to be Springboard when I take it off the Magic Keyboard. Make it happen already.

Hell, just give access to the Hypervisor framework now that M1/M2 chips natively support virtualization. I would gladly use a macOS or Linux VM on an iPad if it didn't require constant workarounds. UTM is ready it just needs the App Store barrier removed.

As a user experience it's no less jarring than GeForce Now, XBox remote play, Steam Link, Plex, VNC apps, iSH, Blink, etc.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by formerly_proven »

lupire wrote: post #136
crazygringo wrote: post #82

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Not even Photoshop -- Photoshop is mainly about editing, well, photos, while ProCreate is about natural-looking brush painting. Photoshop certainly has brushes, but it's not even attempting any kind of naturalism. People don't generally "paint" in Photoshop. [Edit: from comments below, I stand corrected. Guess it's just the people I know.] I'm not sure what you call that category of app -- painting apps? Natural-medi…

Procreate is an approximate subset of Photoshop. Photoshop has an old, strong brand, allthe name is a bit anachronistic, but it has grown to be a product for all 2D visual art.

Are the 3D object layers from CS5 still around?
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