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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by nikanj »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #132
ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #2

Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

> Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. Fascinating. Their flat, contrast-less and confusing UI is one of my biggest chafing points with their product. If I want to resize an UI element, I often have to make several guesses before I find the right border, let alone pixel.

What are the odds of a redesign adding color / borders / 3d? The UI fashion is still trending towards a uniform single-colored surface. Hard to imagine them adding borders, let alone color

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by danwee »

ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #2

Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

Indeed. I think they are trying to imitate VSCode UI... which in my opinion sucks big time.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by MrDresden »

Frankly I think this is a non issue for any serious professional.

A proficient user will have learned the keyboard commands for actions and navigation and rarely if ever use the visual elements. This holds for any tool.

Those who have yet to take this step, but are unhappy that the UI update is coming, should take this opportunity to step up their professionalism and master the tools of their trade. It will be well worth the investment.

Negative space is perhaps the one thing I might worry about, since not all devices come with giant or high resolution screens.

Otherwise I welcome the update, and understand that Jetbrains need to continue attracting new users, who are used to different UI then those of us who are older.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by marginalia_nu »

nikanj wrote: post #201
marginalia_nu wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. Fascinating. Their flat, contrast-less and confusing UI is one of my biggest chafing points with their product. If I want to resize an UI element, I often have to make several guesses before I find the right border, let alone pixel.

What are the odds of a redesign adding color / borders / 3d? The UI fashion is still trending towards a uniform single-colored surface. Hard to imagine them adding borders, let alone color

Probably not great, but still by necessity better than the odds of the UI improving while not changing at all.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by mihaaly »

faizshah wrote: post #52

Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

Getting used to a new look is possible, but that does not mandate disrupting - no, that is not a good thing! - changes. Just for the sake of it along questionable long explained philosophy. This is actual work not beauty contest.

Especially in cases when much more important tasks are at hand, as you rightfully note.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by 0x37 »

I really like the new UI (and all the other similar modern UIs) and I just can't pretend like I dont.

I'm a very visual and a design oriented person and I want my tools to look good. If I'm going to spend countless hours using a product/tool I want to enjoy it's looks as well. Too many tools in my opinion are designed by people who want to maximize productivity with very utilitarian and practical user interfaces (which is great!) but don't seem to have enough care for making something that looks beautiful at the same time.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by blibble »

smilekzs wrote: post #12
xwowsersx wrote: post #7

JetBrains also published a separate post addressing the concerns about the new UI https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/06/addressing-the-new-u...

I'm not even being cynical --- this to me reads like: Sure, we will eventually shove it down your throat whether you like it or not, so there's no need to worry for the time being!

and at that point they stop getting my money

(customer since 2010)

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by scrlk »

dijit wrote: post #185
eloisant wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Reddit, Gmail also got worse with time. Even now when I look at Gmail 2004 I find it superior to the current UI.

Controversially: I also much prefer the usability of older Windows operating systems, the scrollbars that don't hide, the double click semantics that are consistent across the whole OS. It might look a lot prettier now, but it's much harder to actually do things from zero knowledge, I do fear we've regressed.

You might enjoy looking through the Windows interface guidelines from 1995 [PDF]: https://www.ics.uci.edu/~kobsa/courses/ICS104/course-notes/M...

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Post by kaeruct »

wiseowise wrote: post #105

I’m sorry, It’s impossible to take someone seriously who considers them professional and yet relies on clicking (!) icons for their workflow in IDE. The only right way to work on IntelliJ products is to leave only code editor, hide everything else and work through keyboard.

Nah, real programmers use butterflies to deflect cosmic rays to flip bits on hard drive platters.
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